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« Reply #100 on: Sat, 07-Jul-18 @ 10:18:14AM »
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You say its about ontario fb being in trouble but its really about the egos of 1 league. The brains behind the Opfl could have easily asked the Ofc to join forces before they started the new league but they thought they could run fb in the province and it failed. You are right u have maybe 3-4 AAA teams in the province and the rest are AA but majority of them are Ofc. The Ofa has no idea how to figure this out and never will. So until the Opfl board puts the tail between the legs and starts talking to the Ofc fb will be a wreck.
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« Reply #101 on: Sat, 07-Jul-18 @ 11:44:47AM »
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Your points have some weak areas. Look at Hamilton. The GHA is about 700 000. It can not support 2 viable football clubs. The teams that get the true rep players tend to be competitive  but the other teams are terrible. Look at this year's ironmen/ canes. If a true rep league with real tiering was created then it might work and large cities like Hamilton could have 2 or more teams.

How can a population of 700,000 people not support 2 football teams?!?  Split it in 2 and you have 350,000 people each!

Cornwall manages to field a team every year with only 65,000 people.  SSM manages to field a very competitive team every year with only 75,000 people.  How can Hamilton not field 2 teams with 700,000 people?
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Wrong
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« Reply #102 on: Sat, 07-Jul-18 @ 11:52:36AM »
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Hamiton has 2 teams in each level.
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« Reply #103 on: Sat, 07-Jul-18 @ 02:48:10PM »
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OFC does not want any part of OPFL because it it is dismantling it self
With teams not happy how the league has treated them and dismal management that is showing poor performance. It’s obvious teams are leaving OPFL not saying all is their fault but their is not positive direction and this premiere league branding flop because it was over hyped with less delivery. And the AA well epic fail but not because of the Teams because the league did not give the proper respect. I bet all four of those teams will leave and wouldn’t blame them.
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« Reply #104 on: Sat, 07-Jul-18 @ 04:31:22PM »
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OFC does not want any part of OPFL because it it is dismantling it self
With teams not happy how the league has treated them and dismal management that is showing poor performance. It’s obvious teams are leaving OPFL not saying all is their fault but their is not positive direction and this premiere league branding flop because it was over hyped with less delivery. And the AA well epic fail but not because of the Teams because the league did not give the proper respect. I bet all four of those teams will leave and wouldn’t blame them.

OFC would only take Beckwith, who could be somewhat competitive in their league. Now will Backwith add teams who knows? North Bay has a nice Varsity team but their JV/B would not be competitive in the OFC, and neither would any of the other stand alone former OMFL organizations.

Now Woodstock's first venture into Spring/Summer has been pretty strong, hope they continue to grow and move up at some point to OFC.  TNT was already turned down by the OFC, and the B teams of the OP's would not be in nor would they go. Don't think the OFC would want any part of the Play 9 on 9 because you do not have enough players to play 12 Man either the OP feels is just fine for Bantam-Varsity. SO where the rest would go they would have to stay right where they are.

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Split em
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« Reply #105 on: Sat, 07-Jul-18 @ 04:39:20PM »
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I'm gonna say it....the old postal code system for player boundaries might be the best option moving forward.

If you could split cities like Hamilton, London, Niagara, Ottawa and Windsor into two or 3 teams by postal codes they could come in the OFC and be competitive.

But if you allow teams like London or Ottawa to come in to the OFC with their "A Teams" of all the top players in the entire region with massive population advantages (e.g. drawing from 25 + high schools and competing against teams that draw from 3 high schools) it will be a disaster.

There are so many GTA teams that they already essentially have this, but the postal code rule would clean it up a bit.





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« Reply #106 on: Sun, 08-Jul-18 @ 04:07:28PM »
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I'm gonna say it....the old postal code system for player boundaries might be the best option moving forward.

If you could split cities like Hamilton, London, Niagara, Ottawa and Windsor into two or 3 teams by postal codes they could come in the OFC and be competitive.

But if you allow teams like London or Ottawa to come in to the OFC with their "A Teams" of all the top players in the entire region with massive population advantages (e.g. drawing from 25 + high schools and competing against teams that draw from 3 high schools) it will be a disaster.

There are so many GTA teams that they already essentially have this, but the postal code rule would clean it up a bit.

I agree with this. It has been like this in hockey for years. Each organization has a boundary that kids living inside that area must play for that organization. There is some flexibility for kids who live in close proximity to two organizations centre point but once they commit to a rep level team they are locked in with that team. This would stop the people flip flopping from one team to another year after year. Although almost very year of hockey I have heard people complain about these rules because they can’t take their team two towns over to play for the “best” team but when you look from an overall perspective it is about the fairest way to handle the situation. Just like hockey, if silly parents wanted to bypass the rules they could always go and buy a house in a different teams zone. Only issue is the OFA would have to get off their buts and actively enforce the rules. Enforcement and appeals for these rules take up a lot of the OMHA time but they realize in hockey if they didn’t do this, there would be stacked teams in multi city teams and overall competition would go downhill. Overall I have loved football compared to hockey because there does seem to less red tape and despite wag at these boards sometimes make you think, much less ridiculous parents. But on this point I think OMHA is on point.
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« Reply #107 on: Fri, 13-Jul-18 @ 08:46:52PM »
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The deal was a mass tryout and hfa takes all AAA kids canes get AA kids and go tier 2. The clubs work together in tiering and developing kids just like hockey does now. How you say it was 2 separate teams, recruit who you can, no co operation thats what they have now. Your telling me the 2 clubs had a meeting about that. Read the article and talk to your board. Thats what tiering is 2 clubs working together and developing kids. The Hfa turned it down because as Underhill said...the association's plan at the time was to have two Varsity Tiger-Cats teams at each level to accommodate those players and coaches already in their system. The problem is the players were not in their system the numbers are down. The Hfa didnt think they needed rhe Canes to tier but reality hit and also the Opfl was upset because they lost 3 teams they could of had in tier 2.
Things are rarely as simple as people make it seem.  There was some trust issues between the Canes and the HFA.  HFA changed from the Canes to the Tiger Cats the Canes big guy was upset. Canes wanted access to the minor teams so they proposed to be the tier 2 OPFL team. Truth is a merger could have happened with the Ironmen, but it won't be with the Canes.  Canes CJFL pres sees this as a way to make money and screw the HFA.
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Right answer
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« Reply #108 on: Fri, 13-Jul-18 @ 09:09:53PM »
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^^That is the right answer. The big bad Canes guy has been hunting for a way to bury the HFA for a couple years. He partnered with the IM for the cash and to put HFA out of business. If he was really in it for the football, why did he cap tryouts? Why did he say first 45 to pay get to play? Who does that in REP sports? Get 80 kids and make cuts to find the best team. Look what you have over there, a dysfunctional group that's actually worse than last year. The Varsity team was actually decent last year and are a complete train wreck.
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« Reply #109 on: Fri, 13-Jul-18 @ 09:18:30PM »
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 There would have never been a merger between the HFA and IM. The HFA wanted to take over the IM that was it and the IM wouldnt let that happen. The IM asked the Canes to merge which they did. You talk about cuts how many the hfa Sr cut this year  numbers are down. The HFA future is not bright  the Bantams are a train wreck, jv move up to Sr next year in a 9 team league. Going to be interesting to see what Hfa does. They may call the Canes and go back to the table
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Money maker
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« Reply #110 on: Fri, 13-Jul-18 @ 09:33:51PM »
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If u want to talk money maker lets ask why the hfa went from the canes to ticats. Could it be they wanted parents and players to buy the Junior ticat swag and game pants. Everyone had Canes swag so the money was not being made there.
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« Reply #111 on: Sat, 14-Jul-18 @ 12:16:06AM »
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If u want to talk money maker lets ask why the hfa went from the canes to ticats. Could it be they wanted parents and players to buy the Junior ticat swag and game pants. Everyone had Canes swag so the money was not being made there.
This one was actually funny.  Kind of what happens when you drink and type.  Actually just drink (and all of the time).

That's actually the reason right there...

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The question
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« Reply #112 on: Sat, 14-Jul-18 @ 07:52:32AM »
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That actually is a good question. Why did the hfa leave the canes name and move to the ticat name. No one from the hfa ever answer a question they just deflect the question with a comment.
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He knows
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« Reply #113 on: Sat, 14-Jul-18 @ 10:15:52AM »
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The man with the Canes knows - ask him...I dare you
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Dare you
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« Reply #114 on: Sat, 14-Jul-18 @ 10:39:16AM »
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Once again they cannot answer a question. I dont know the guy so i cant ask him. Im asking the ticats followers they seem to know or if you dont know the answer then say that. 8n the OFC you seen all kinds of Canes swag then they go Opfl you see the Ticat stuff. Just asking why the change
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What they told us
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« Reply #115 on: Sat, 14-Jul-18 @ 10:46:36AM »
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What they told us at the time was that their atom to bantam fall teams were called the tiger cats. Their ring teams the canes. They claimed it was confusing so they decided to name all their teams the tiger cats even in rep spring. No one was forced to buy the bag but they did have to purchase the pants. It was not a really big thing compared to the other issues that were happening in the hfa in around 2016.
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Very easy
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« Reply #116 on: Sat, 14-Jul-18 @ 11:24:43AM »
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The simple answer. No need to ask the Canes guy. Dont seem like there is an issue with anyone.
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