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Author Topic: How many Head Coaches YYC have Full Certification from Football Canada?  (Read 1501 times)
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« on: Sat, 12-May-18 @ 03:18:20AM »
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There are a lot of football coaches in Calgary, are any of them actually full Certified football coaches who are trained to coach at the highest levels? Trained in every facet Football Canada offers?

Anyone know how many full certified football coaches through Football Canada there are in Calgary? Any? 

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National Coaching Certification Program (NCCP)

Making Sense of the New NCCP…a must read see Explanation of NCCP Streams.
Make Ethical Decisions (MED) Online Evaluation…

All coaches, no matter what NCCP courses they have, will have to take the MED session in the next 3 years to remain active in the NCCP program. Once a coach has completed a clinic and has a NCCP #, they may take the Make Ethical Decisions online evaluation course . When logged in to ‘the Locker’, at www.coach.ca, click on MED Online Evaluation, Comp Intro Position link. If a coach has received an NCCP # from completion of the Comp Intro at Positon course with football, they will be able to take the MED online evaluation course for free. Make sure you review the MED section in the Comp Intro Position workbook. If you have not taken Comp Intro at Position course, there is a fee of $85.

All coaches are strongly encouraged to set up an account in the new NCCP database. Coaches with an NCCP Account can view/update personal information, access coaching records and a printable transcript. This will allow you to keep you record current (e.g. change address, email, phone number, etc.) as well as view and print your education transcript at any time and track your progress.

Coaching Development
National Coaching Certification Program (NCCP)
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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 12-May-18 @ 04:34:35AM »
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It doesn't Fu$king matter how many coaches are certified. How many kids are going to college and are sticking? How many kids have good grades? How many kids play football that are super under coached ? EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM! YOU HAVE 12 GRADERS LOOKOMG LIKE 7TH GRADERS. FU$K ALL THIS EXTRA COACHING SHIT. THESE COACHES NEED REAL TIME TRAINING.
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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 12-May-18 @ 03:50:38PM »
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There are very good & hard working coaches out there in Alberta but Tackle Football has few training courses and the NCCP Certification training which can be followed through to completion but many coaches do not have any of this. 100% credit for donating their time & effort but in comparison to other sports but the background education and qualifications are much lower to be a top coach or assistant. If Alberta wants to improve both the football and participation training for coaches and asking to pass a certain Certification level just makes sense. Hockey demands that even assistant coaches have Provincial Certification levels at high levels. 

With thorough Certification rules to be a Head Coach in Football, at the end of the day Alberta would not only end up with better coaching over the long term, but better players over the same period because of the better coaching. More safety training is also part of Certification.
Football Alberta offers some NCCP courses but compared to the very tough requirements to Coach Hockey and other sports it is at a minimal level. Football Canada pushes Certification for coaches. The higher you go in hockey, the more coaching training required or they simply are not allowed to coach. Why should football not have some of the same requirements? 

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1) HOCKEY ALBERTA Minimum Coaching Certification Requirements

1) Bantam Certification - Teams registered on Hockey Alberta Provincial Teams: Bantam AA & AAA
All LMHA’s will ensure by December 31st, that all Head Coaches coaching in
the division of Bantam (categories outlined above) are qualified at the NCCP
Developmental A Level. Completion of the Checking Skills Program is also
highly recommended.
It is highly recommended that all LMHA’s ensure that all Assistant Coaches are
qualified in the NCCP Development A Level course and the Checking Skills
Program

2) Midget Certification (15-17 years old)
Teams registered as a Hockey Alberta Non Provincial Team and Provincial
Team A, B, C & D
All LMHA’s will ensure by December 31st, that all Head Coaches coaching in
the division of Midget (categories outlined above) are qualified at the NCCP
Coach Level. Completion of the Checking Skill Program is also highly
recommended.
It is highly recommended that all LMHA’s ensure that all Assistant Coaches are
qualified in the NCCP Coach Level course and the Checking Skills Program.

3) Midget AA Certification: Teams registered on Hockey Alberta Provincial Teams: Midget AA
All LMHA’s will ensure by December 31st, that all Head Coaches coaching in
the division of Midget (categories outlined above) are qualified at the NCCP
Developmental A Level. Certification in the Checking Skills Program is also
highly recommended.
It is highly recommended that all LMHA’s ensure that all Assistant Coaches are
qualified in the NCCP Developmental A Level course and the Checking Skills
Program

4.) Midget AAA Certification: Teams registered on Hockey Alberta Provincial Teams, Midget AAA
(effective starting in the 2005-06 season)
All LMHA’s will ensure by December 31st, that all Head Coaches coaching in
the division of Midget (as outlined above) are qualified at the NCCP High
Performance I Level. Completion of the Checking Skills Program is also highly
recommended.

5) All Head Coaches will have two years to become qualified at the NCCP High
Performance I level. The rational for this is that Hockey Alberta only hosts the
High Performance I Seminar every two years.
It is highly recommended that all LMHA’s ensure by December 31st of the
current playing year that all Assistant Coaches are qualified in the NCCP High
Performance I Level and completed the Checking Skills Program.

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In other sports they have difficult intense Certification or License which coaches pay for ($400.00 up to $1250.00 or more to get tested) if they want to be seen as a top coach and they get tested under difficult conditions by those who have higher Licenses. They can and do fail if they don't know their drills and everything involved. Soccer has very tough Certification Testing for coaches.

1) International A & B Licenses - Highest

2) National "B" License - Highest in Canada

3) Alberta Provincial C Licence - lowest level on the rung but still difficult to mget
The "C" Licence is the entry level course in the Canada Soccer licensing Stream.

The C Licence is for coaches who would like to continue with their coaching education at a higher level, are 16 years of age or older and serious about coaching. Preference will be given to individuals actively coaching at the Learn to Train, Train to Train, or Train to Compete stages.

This program is divided into 2 parts with different fees for each part:

1) Course (32 hours)
2) Evaluation (3 hours)

In order to be accepted into the C Licence you must have completed and passed the Making Ethical Decisions (MED) online evaluation. Additionally, coaches are expected to have completed the Making Headway online workshop for Soccer.

For more information on these program components use the tabs below.

Course
Evaluation
Re-Testing
2018 Dates
Register
provincial-c-license$375 (+GST) Course Fee
Course fees include 32 hours of training, course materials, facilities, and more. Additional fees may apply for Special Events or Mentoring (optional). Approved applications are confirmed via email with an agenda, course requirements and pre-course work details. This is a non-residential program with travel and accommodation being the responsibility of the candidate.

Applicants will be selected by the Director of Coach Education and Player Development. Unsuccessful applicants will receive a full refund and will be eligible to re-apply for the next course.  All other application withdrawals will be processed as per ASA’s Refund Policy which includes a minimum 10% admin fee.

Course Curriculum
Theory
Long-Term Athlete Development
The Structure of the Game
The Role of the Coach
Methodology
The Intelligent Player
Attacking and Defending Skills
The Session Plan
Set Plays

 
Practical
Game Observation
Observation and Intervention
Key Factor Coaching
Global-Analytical-Global Practice
Attacking and Defending Skills
Principles of the Warm Up
Goalkeeping
Model Coaching Sessions
Practical Coaching Sessions

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National "B" License - even harder

B Licence Program
2018 B Licence Coaching Course Dates

Dates: 13-18 May, 2018 in Langley , BC

Dates: 29 July - 3 August, 2018 in Spruce Grove , AB

Dates: 9-14 September, 2018 in Vaughan, ON

Course Fee: $1250.00

Aim of the Program

To educate the candidates in the practical and theoretical developments in modern soccer, so that they may devise, organize, conduct and evaluate coaching sessions in basic and advanced skills, tactics, strategies and systems of play. Candidates will also better understand and employ the complimentary managerial, and coach-related aspects, appropriate to the role of the coach at the competitive level.

Structure of the Program

The Canada Soccer B Licence Program is divided into two workshops. Provincial Associations offer part 1 of the Program, regionally across Canada. Canada Soccer offers Part 2, the National Workshop, on a residential basis. Both the Part 1 and National Workshops will include practical and theoretical aspects of study with the Final Theory and Practical Evaluations following the respective Workshop. Candidates seeking certification will be required to undergo a Practical Coaching Evaluation following each part of the Program. At the national level, this will involve carrying out a designated practice session with the candidate’s own team, in their club environment. Following the National Workshop video footage of the session must be produced by the Candidate, in accordance with CSA guidelines, and sent to the Canadian Soccer Association Technical Office for Evaluation as part of the Video Evaluation Process.

Program Objectives

On completion of the Program, successful candidates will be competent in the following and be able to:

Operate effectively in a variety of coaching situations with players and teams at all levels of Youth and/or Senior Soccer.
Plan, organize, conduct and evaluate practical coaching sessions on various aspects of play.
Successfully employ various coaching and teaching methods and styles as appropriate to the needs of the players and groups.
Analyze both individual and team performance and thereby devise practices and training to suit the needs of the players and team.
Understand the physical and physiological demands of playing the game, and so devise specific training and conditioning programs as necessary.
Understand the importance and timely application of the various theoretical aspects appropriate to the role of the coach at the competitive level.
Maintain the highest standards of conduct to promote the sport of soccer.
 

Who is eligible?

Those who have any of the following certification and experience:

C Licence Pass
Acceptable International Certification (Canada Soccer Coaching Equivalency is required)
National Team/Professional Players (see “Pro-Assessment”)
 

Program Content

The following aspects will be included in the program curriculum:

Attacking Principles
Defending Principles
Coaching Methodology
Running Skill Practices
Possession Development
Working with Wingers
Flank Play
Principles of Teaching & Learning
Counter Attacking Play
Theory of Training
Soccer Fitness
Central Attacking Play
Goalkeeping
Laws of the Game
Various coaching styles and methods will be developed throughout the Program, and the use of skill practices, functional practices, phase of play and small sided games (6v6 & 8v8) will be employed in the presentation of the practical content.

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B Licence Grading and Assessment Policy

The B Licensing Program serves a dual purpose in the Certification of coaches. The first task is to educate coaches in certain aspects of coaching players at the Performance level. The second, and equally important purpose served by the B Licence Program is the licensing of coaches based on a formal evaluation of their ability to apply their newly acquired skills and knowledge when working with players.

Final assessments are based on a Canada Soccer qualified Evaluator’s analysis of the Candidate’s performance and their potential to successfully impact the development of players at the Performance level.

The following table outlines how the Overall Result and the combined Theory and Practical Coaching scores determine the outcome and certification pathway of Candidates involved in the B Licence-National Program:

B Licence-National Course

Overall Result
Practical Score
Theory Score
Certification Pathway
Unsatisfactory
< 119
< 59
Apply for 'B' Licence-National Practical Re-Evaluation and Re-take the Theory Exam.

Unsatisfactory
< 119
60-100
Apply for 'B' Licence-National Practical Re-Evaluation

Theory Re-Exam
120-200
< 59
Will be offered a chance to do a Theory Re-Examination in order to complete the Licensing process successfully

Certified B Licence-National Coach

120-139
60-100
Proceed to A Licence when ready

It’s advised that successful coaches take the time work further on their coaching methodology and gain more experience applying their newly acquired knowledge before applying to take part in the A Licence. This will help coaches to better prepare themselves to be successful at the next level of certification.

Course Results:
Candidates will receive their results from the Technical Office within 30 days following the receipt of their Video Evaluation submission, unless otherwise informed.

Then if you can get through these two as a Coach you can take the training for UEFA A & B Licenses in England


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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 12-May-18 @ 08:22:34PM »
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the certification and licensing is for people real serious about that sport and want to be known & recognized for being a high level coach 
think all know the answer to the question = almost nobody has any certification in football in Calgary
in the US top level High School coaches have to have a continual football education process, nowhere near that level here
in Calgary if you want to be a high level coach you recruit from the you know whos
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« Reply #4 on: Sun, 13-May-18 @ 11:49:38AM »
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There are multiple CIS coaches that have ZERO NCCP qualifications.  There are National Champion CIS coaches that don't have any NCCP training.

There are CIS coaches that have written the NCCP books, but they themselves are not NCCP qualified.


Why should football coaches pay for outdated very general NCCP football clinics when there are FAR SUPERIOR clinic options available from other groups (NCAA clinics, Glazier clinics, Online clinics, etc)?  A football coach could learn 100 times more by attending a Glazier clinic in the US than they could from sitting through all 3 levels of NCCP football certifications.

Football is NOT hockey.  One team could be using COMPLETELY different strategies and techniques than another team.  A triple option offense will not use the same philosophies, strategies and techniques as an Air Raid offense.  The uniqueness of football makes it near impossible for Football Canada to put together a meaningful coaching education package in the same way that they can for sports like hockey and basketball.  In football schemes will often dictate the strategies and techniques used, this usually isn't the case in other sports.

The NCCP program was initially created to help develop coaches in Olympic sports that were very focused on the same technique throughout, for example ski jumping, javelin, pole vault, biathlon, etc.  When the NCCP branched out in to team sports like basketball and hockey it became more complicated, but they still managed to find some common ground and streamline it.  But for football, there are just too many differences from position to position and from scheme to scheme.  It's near impossible to put together a valuable coaching package that fits all schemes.

My solution is make coaches prove that they participated in at least 1 full football clinic every year.  Whether it be a NCAA school clinic, a CIS school clinic, a Glazier clinic, a  weekend clinic or even an NCCP clinic.

If my son's high school runs triple option, I would MUCH prefer his coaches attended the Army or Navy triple option clinic than sit through an NCCP clinic that has almost no carryover.



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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 14-May-18 @ 01:05:04AM »
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Good Post. Not a solution, though some interesting ideas.

So what is in it for as local Football Coach to go through a Certification process and put in the time to do so? Quite easy - the chance to make extra money for your efforts. It would enable coaches to say they can provide extra training for keen players and get paid for it, because parents pay for improvement to athletes with promise. There are certified coaches & trainers in multiple sports who make extra money from extra training. Also, there is status like any business. They worked to get extra credentials. If a person wants to be a Head Coach this should help get there and provide credibilty once there. Maybe they could get paid to put on clinics down the line.     

There are leaders in tackle football who would put in their time to try to create something lasting that Football Canada could use to Certify coaches. Coaches from across the country could contribute. 

Who is going to pay for US Courses? Not a Club that lives hand to mouth with $$$$ or a High School that (will say) has no funds to send coaches on courses like the US.
Other sports have Certification and Licensing Requirements in place. They were thought about and kept updated.
Other than the fact that football coaches do not want to do it, that does not mean there should not be Certification. 
There are on field and off field topics that could be in a program to get some sort of standards into football coaching other than a guy who once played the sport at some level putting in his time. Volunteers are all appreciated by all but some volunteers would see the value in having credentials like any other business, it would make them stand out, but they would have to win enough games to back it up.
USports coaches in other sports have licenses and certification, that is actually how they were hired for the job over others. They all use multiple strategies and tactics and techniques specific to the sport. Each coach has a knowledge bank they keep to themselves. 
It would be fun to see an "Air Raid" offense in YYC but since most QB's (other than a handful) cannot really hit anything past 15 yards consistently, all you get is the formations. The Triple Option needs the right playmaking personnel, who runs that in the city? Need to adapt. The best coaches fit this year's crop of players to what kind of offense can be run rather than trying to plug unsuited players into a certain system. 

How about 10 completed Coaching Courses covering all areas with an inclusion of common principles? With a test that has to be passed.

How about re-certification every 2 years (or so) by showing they attended clinics like of this:

Have coaches show that they participated in at least 1 full football clinic every year.  Whether it be a NCAA school clinic, a CIS school clinic, a Glazier clinic, a  weekend clinic or even an NCCP clinic.

Coaches attended the Army or Navy triple option clinic than sit through an NCCP clinic that has almost no carryover.





   
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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 15-May-18 @ 07:46:29PM »
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- no one wants the Certification & qualification of football coaches?
- the argument is many other sports have this but we don't want certified coaches in football because...well, we have no reason?
- all of the youth Leagues should be promoting Coach courses and certification on their websites to get better quality coaches coming up as other ppl move on, but of course they do not. ppl would have to dig through Football Alberta to even find information on what exists now.
- When you meet high level certified/licensed coaches all it takes is 15 mins of watching them run practices. Then ppl see why they do it.
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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 16-May-18 @ 02:59:19PM »
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just another example of the good certification would do

Texas Football Coaches Required To Get Tackling Certifications, Part of Official UIL Football Coaches Certification Program

Texas, where football is like a religion, becomes the first state to require all football coaches to be tackling certified for safety issues
By Scott McDonald, Patch Staff | Mar 20, 2018 4:14 pm ET


Texans like to boast they've got the best high school football in the nation, though other states like California, Florida, Louisiana and Pennsylvania would beg to differ. However, Texas can claim it will lead the nation in an effort to make the sport safer.

The University Interscholastic League (UIL), which is the state's governing body for high school and junior high athletics, has worked with the Texas High School Coaches Association (THSCA) to take an unprecedented step forward to make football a safer sport.

In October 2017, the UIL Legislative Council passed a rule requiring EVERY TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL AND JUNIOR HIGH FOOTBALL COACH to become certified in teaching tackling as a part of the official UIL Coaches Certification Program beginning with the 2018-19 school year.

With this new measure, the UIL made Texas the first in the country to implement a mandatory statewide tackling certification program for all football coaches. In a joint effort between UIL and THSCA to raise standards and improve safety, Atavus Sports was selected as the exclusive provider to oversee and administer the certification process statewide.

"The UIL Legislative Council was overwhelmingly in favor of supporting this measure," Dr. Charles Breithaupt, Executive Director of the University Interscholastic League, said in a statement. "We view the addition of a mandatory tackling certification for football coaches as a positive educational extension that will ultimately improve the game and the welfare of our students."

Atavus Sports is a Seattle-based organization focused on tackling techniques and tackle data analytics. The primary objective of this collaboration is to enhance Texas High School football by providing best practices in tackling training for all football coaches and keeping athletes who play the game safer.

"The game is changing, and we have to be willing to change with it," said D.W. Rutledge, outgoing executive director of the Texas High School Coaches Association. "By implementing a mandatory tackling certification, we're continuing our legacy in Texas as leaders in high school football and taking necessary steps to move the game forward. Preventing injuries is paramount for all coaches and players, and we felt that as an organization it was our duty to seek out the best possible solutions to keeping our players safe."

The certification process for coaches begins in July 2018 and will be available in two formats. The first option is an on-site training offered by THSCA, consisting of a presentation followed by a live assessment that must be passed to receive certification. The second option, available beginning April 1, 2019, is an online platform, which allows coaches to achieve certification at their own pace but consists of a similar educational presentation and final assessment.

"Being from Texas and a former football coach in the state, this means a lot to me," said Rex Norris, Head of Football for Atavus Sports. "A dominant tackle is a safer tackle, and we are excited to get to work helping coaches teach tackling techniques that will benefit their players and improve their team's performance."

Atavus has spent the past five years educating coaches and players of all skill levels, working with elite college football programs across the country such as Michigan State University, Rutgers University, The University of Washington, Ohio State University, The University of Nebraska and more. At the high school level in Texas, Atavus has worked with a number of schools, including Sulphur Springs, Waxahachie, Rockwall, Beaumont Westbrook and Brownwood high schools, as well as a long list of other schools across the U.S.

"We know that Texas is widely regarded as the pinnacle of high school football," said Karen Bryant, CEO of Atavus Sports. "We're thrilled they have decided to take action and lead the way in recognizing that tackling is an important part of the game. We certainly hope that other states follow Texas's lead and implement similar certification processes in their organizations."


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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 16-May-18 @ 03:13:41PM »
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interesting...to get this Tackling Certification in Texas, Coaches have to pass an in person test & assessment, just like other sports do with coaches

UIL "The certification process for coaches begins in July 2018 and will be available in two formats.
- The first option is an on-site training offered by THSCA, consisting of a presentation followed by a live assessment that  MUST be passed to receive certification.
- The second option, available beginning April 1, 2019, is an online platform, which allows coaches to achieve certification at their own pace but consists of a similar educational presentation and FINAL assessment."

the Texas course is not online, or watching a video, to get this credential that every coach must have their exam in person

Shows how far behind Alberta is in any sort of Football Coaching testing and granting of certification, which ultimately hurts the players and is a safety issue, certainly with tackling


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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 17-May-18 @ 10:01:10AM »
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So what is in it for as local Football Coach to go through a Certification process and put in the time to do so? Quite easy - the chance to make extra money for your efforts. It would enable coaches to say they can provide extra training for keen players and get paid for it, because parents pay for improvement to athletes with promise. There are certified coaches & trainers in multiple sports who make extra money from extra training. Also, there is status like any business. They worked to get extra credentials. If a person wants to be a Head Coach this should help get there and provide credibilty once there. Maybe they could get paid to put on clinics down the line. 

If you were hiring a personal football coach for your son, would you put more faith in a guy who had his "NCCP Level 2" or a guy who has experience and proven success?

Would you be more impressed by his "Football Canada Intro to Comp" course, or if he had a resume that included Coaching clinics at U of Michigan, Ohio State, Multiple Glazier clinics, Notre Dame clinic, etc.?  I can tell you that 99.9% of parents would be far more impressed by the latter.  98% of parents have no clue what "Football Canada Intro to Comp" even is...heck, at least 70% of league executives have no clue what Intro to Comp is.

My point being, if you are getting extra certifications for the selfish purpose of making money by selling personal coaching, you would get much greater return by attending US clinics then going the Football Canada certification route.
    

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There are leaders in tackle football who would put in their time to try to create something lasting that Football Canada could use to Certify coaches. Coaches from across the country could contribute.

I believe this is what happened with Football Canada's Safe Contact course, which is probably the best certification that Football Canada has developed. 


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Who is going to pay for US Courses? Not a Club that lives hand to mouth with $$$$ or a High School that (will say) has no funds to send coaches on courses like the US.

Our school board pays for us to attend US clinics every year.  I know of at least 12 other school boards in Ontario that do the same.  We always see other Ontario schools represented at the US clinics we attend.  We also see multiple OPFL and OFC coaches at these clinics.

Why do you assume that school boards and clubs will pay for Football Canada certifications but not US clinics that almost always offer better content and resources, and value?


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Other sports have Certification and Licensing Requirements in place. They were thought about and kept updated.
Other than the fact that football coaches do not want to do it, that does not mean there should not be Certification. 
There are on field and off field topics that could be in a program to get some sort of standards into football coaching other than a guy who once played the sport at some level putting in his time. Volunteers are all appreciated by all but some volunteers would see the value in having credentials like any other business, it would make them stand out, but they would have to win enough games to back it up.

Canadian Football has the same certifications as other Canadian sports - NCCP!  But as mentioned earlier, there are several factors that make it extremely difficult to streamline a football certification.  Again, those things are - huge variations in skill sets and techniques between the 9 to 12 position groups and the massive variations in schematic strategies that dictate different techniques.  Coaching Football is NOT like coaching a sport like rowing; there are infinitely more variables in Football that make it near impossible to develop a single coaching course that adequately covers sufficient content.

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USports coaches in other sports have licenses and certification, that is actually how they were hired for the job over others. They all use multiple strategies and tactics and techniques specific to the sport. Each coach has a knowledge bank they keep to themselves. 
It would be fun to see an "Air Raid" offense in YYC but since most QB's (other than a handful) cannot really hit anything past 15 yards consistently, all you get is the formations. The Triple Option needs the right playmaking personnel, who runs that in the city? Need to adapt. The best coaches fit this year's crop of players to what kind of offense can be run rather than trying to plug unsuited players into a certain system.  

And this is exactly the point we are trying to make.  Football Canada is a tiny underfunded organization that can't provide sufficient instruction, resources and certifications for all these various schemes in Football.  Why would we require coaches to pay over HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS for a Football Canada cert that has NOTHING to do with their offensive & defensive systems when there are FAR SUPERIOR instructional resources available at US clinics and on-line for significantly lower costs?


   
To put this in perspective for you, if would cost over $450 for a Canadian coach to get their Intro to Comp, Safe Contact and Coordinator certifications.  They don't get any meals or swag with that, just $450 for very general generic common sense content!  Compare that to going to the Notre Dame Football clinic in Indiana last year, you got 4 full meals provided, t-shirts, gym bag, notebook and pen, superior instruction and resources, Drill DVDs, beer and apps at coaches social, full tour of Notre Dame facilities, and far superior networking opportunities, all for the whopping price of $60.

So again, I ask, how does it make sense to require Canadian coaches to get these Football Canada certifications for a huge price tag, when we could be sending our coaches to US clinics or CIS school clinics that offer a superior product at a much better value?

Football Canada did a good thing with their Safe Contact program.  It focuses on one universal aspect of football - tackling. But when they try to branch out in to scheme content, they just can't compete with the alternative resources.
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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 17-May-18 @ 04:14:33PM »
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People who don't want Certification in place will come up with endless arguments against it.
Football is not even in the top 10 most participated in sports in Canada. Better coaching & standards in the sport could attract more players in the future. Lessen the "fear".
Already mentioned on this thread was numerous other sports have Certification and Licenses, all of these sports have multiple schemes, tactics and strategies that high level coaches must know. They have that on top of practice and training modules that are part of a License/Certification. Those coaches if you talked to them would add even more information if someone wanted to compare each sport. 
It's not about running a particular Offense it is about a complete background in the game from dealing with youth players and parents to making sure the club you coach at has things in place to be successful.
Even in Youth Football, the coaches need to be trained.
If you could see resumes from all of the youth coaches in Calgary the history would be all over the map, from 18 year olds in flat hats to top level vastly experienced coaches who could teach younger guys a lot and not just X's and O's but starting with respect on a team.
Certification brings everyone closer to the benchmark the sport of Football wants to see in a coach. It is not that hard except to set up.   
Coaches think they are unique in Football, but they are not. When coaches from different sports sit down and talk to each other about their sport and what they look for the similarities of what they do are more common than their differences. 
Football Alberta is the entity that should be leading the way on this topic. Unless some guy up there does not like the idea of all the work involved. Should, could, probably won't, like everything else.
It is a topic that can be civilly brought up on a football forum though. There is room for better training for coaching in Calgary.
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« Reply #11 on: Thu, 17-May-18 @ 04:32:55PM »
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WHY DIS THE REF HAVE A BLACK EYE
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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 18-May-18 @ 02:46:06PM »
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People who don't want Certification in place will come up with endless arguments against it.
Football is not even in the top 10 most participated in sports in Canada. Better coaching & standards in the sport could attract more players in the future. Lessen the "fear".

You are completely missing the point.  Nobody is saying they don't want qualified coaches.  We are saying that the Football Canada certifications aren't necessarily the best way to do it.  I will admit that I like Football Canada's Safe Contact certification, but the other certifications (position coach, coordinator, head coach) have very little value to the vast majority of football coaches.  There are all kinds of educational resources and certifications available to football coaches that are far superior (and less expensive) than what Football Canada is offering most of the time.  So why are you insisting on the Football Canada certifications?

And if you can't comprehend the unique challenges of packaging all positions and schematics into a single course for football, I don't know how to help you.  The skill sets and techniques used for a DT vs a Corner are completely different...almost like 2 separate sports.  Even within the same position, an OLineman's techniques in an Air Raid offense will be completely different than an OLineman's techniques in a triple option offense.

Also, I'd like to hear these top 10 sports that are have higher participation numbers than football in Canada.  If you are talking competitive sports I doubt there are 10 above football in Canada.  I can only think of a handful: hockey, soccer, basketball, maybe track?

 
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Nothing is perfect. To have REAL Coaching Certification it has to have some form of testing and teeth. Those that don't understand concepts need to be failed & they can always try again. If they wanted to there is Coaches who could put together a Certification Program most could agree on. There will always be those who don't want to do it who would keep coming up with reasons not do it it. The current method of having anywhere from 5 to 15 coaches hanging around a team could be replaced by 3 or 4 who actually really know what they are doing.
That being said it is most likely nothing will ever get to that stage in football & ultimately the upcoming players and sports loss.
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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 18-May-18 @ 04:50:20PM »
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Nothing is perfect. To have REAL Coaching Certification it has to have some form of testing and teeth. Those that don't understand concepts need to be failed & they can always try again. If they wanted to there is Coaches who could put together a Certification Program most could agree on. There will always be those who don't want to do it who would keep coming up with reasons not do it it. The current method of having anywhere from 5 to 15 coaches hanging around a team could be replaced by 3 or 4 who actually really know what they are doing.
That being said it is most likely nothing will ever get to that stage in football & ultimately the upcoming players and sports loss.

What world do you live in?  There has basically always been a shortage of football coaches in Canada.  Now if you force volunteers to pay hundreds of dollars out of pocket to get certified by a very generic course with almost no carryover to actual football coaching, you will steer away even more people from coaching football.  This will mean less opportunities for kids to play.

If you think developing the holy grail of football courses that encompasses all aspects is that simple, why don't you put it together and give it to Football Canada?  I can assure you that it's a near impossible task due to the dynamic complex nature of the sport.

Solutions have been provided on this exact thread.  Allow coaches to attend other clinics, (not just the Football Canada ones) and give them credit towards certification for their participation in these clinics.  Do you honestly think I would learn more at an Intro to Comp Football Canada course being taught by some dude who's been coaching youth football for 8 years in Red Deer than I would from listening to the BEST football coaches in the world for 3 days at the AFCA convention? Or at the Ohio State clinic? Or at the NDSU clinic? Or at a Glazier Clinic?  I can't comprehend how anybody in their right mind can disagree with this!  It's actually mind boggling that you don't agree.


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every other sport out there worth a durn has coach training, they have it in US States, but yer right, everyone in canada where football is a dying sport is a living font of knowledge, a veritable latter day __________ fill in blank of favorite famous coach name
there is of course very good coaches and they would likely be the ones see the benefits of standards   
same attitude as the boards and the leagues loaded for certain teams, p*** off if you don't like it, which is entirely missing the point, let the amateur hour continue, god forbid a sport has standards for coaches other than a criminal background check, one thing is for certain, anyone who writes these excuses never met a fully qualified certified licensed coach or watched them run a practice in person
numerous schools in Calgary have now dumped their Grade 10 Junior Football  programs which is why on CSHSAA there is a only one Division for Junior, while Senior football continues to have schools merging together to even field a team in Div 3 or Div 2 and they wear a mish mash of two colors of helmets from the two schools and alternate uniforms every week that have nothing in common colour wise 
these kids go one week on & one week off traveling to another school to practice and in many cases not that close, so things are going well 
the system in Calgary Spring Football and High School will not survive another 10 years, selfish High Schools & Clubs only care about themselves, not the health of the leagues
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every other sport out there worth a durn has coach training, they have it in US States, but yer right, everyone in canada where football is a dying sport is a living font of knowledge, a veritable latter day __________ fill in blank of favorite famous coach name
there is of course very good coaches and they would likely be the ones see the benefits of standards   
same attitude as the boards and the leagues loaded for certain teams, p*** off if you don't like it, which is entirely missing the point, let the amateur hour continue, god forbid a sport has standards for coaches other than a criminal background check, one thing is for certain, anyone who writes these excuses never met a fully qualified certified licensed coach or watched them run a practice in person
numerous schools in Calgary have now dumped their Grade 10 Junior Football  programs which is why on CSHSAA there is a only one Division for Junior, while Senior football continues to have schools merging together to even field a team in Div 3 or Div 2 and they wear a mish mash of two colors of helmets from the two schools and alternate uniforms every week that have nothing in common colour wise 
these kids go one week on & one week off traveling to another school to practice and in many cases not that close, so things are going well 
the system in Calgary Spring Football and High School will not survive another 10 years, selfish High Schools & Clubs only care about themselves, not the health of the leagues


What does any of of this^ have to do with mandatory Football Canada coaching certifications?

The Head Coach of the Vanier Cup champions is not NCCP certified.  Are you going to tell us he sucks too?

I guess Nick Saban and Urban Meyer suck because they don't have Football Canada Intro to Comp, right?

Do you even read your posts before you post them?

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it seems clear from this thread that these football guys probably only ever had personal involvement with football, not hockey or baseball or soccer or lacrosse or basketball, they just "know" football, and they argue against common sense with no realistic alternatives
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it seems clear from this thread that these football guys probably only ever had personal involvement with football, not hockey or baseball or soccer or lacrosse or basketball, they just "know" football, and they argue against common sense with no realistic alternatives

Rarely do basketball coaches in Ontario have any NCCP training.  Same with baseball.  YOU are the one that wants football to be different than these sports.
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they do it in the US, they must know nothing about football, the topic is outright scaring some of the stone agers
this is an Alberta thread guy, you be cherry picking sports that y'all think DON'T certify or license coaches
we got it, you have no interest in being certified personally, loud and clear, 10-4 Roger, out, beat that topic down on a chat board in case it makes too much sense 
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