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Title: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sun, 11-Nov-12 @ 06:48:09PM
Calgary @ McMaster.
Acadia @ Laval.

Predictions?
What does each team need to do to win?


I see the Vanier being Mac/Laval.


http://watch.tsn.ca/cis-games-on-demand/hardy-cup-regina-rams-vs-calgary-dinos/#clip803945

here's a link to the Calgary/Regina game, it's the first quarter. bottom right are links to all 4 quarters.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: The Swami on Sun, 11-Nov-12 @ 06:52:54PM
Calgary and Laval


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: to make it interesting on Sun, 11-Nov-12 @ 09:57:57PM
Just to make it a little interesting, i'm going to go on a gamble and say, Acadia and Calgary are going to meet in Toronto. I honestly believe the two underdogs coming into the Semi's will win their respective games.You may all think i'm crazy but this how I see it, I want Calgary to beat the Undefeated,Defending National Champions and of course as everybody does, I want to see Acadia make history ending Laval's "PEPS STREAK" as I like to call it and see an AUS team in the Vanier Cup.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: newsflash on Mon, 12-Nov-12 @ 05:31:16AM
Just to make it a little interesting, i'm going to go on a gamble and say, Acadia and Calgary are going to meet in Toronto. I honestly believe the two underdogs coming into the Semi's will win their respective games.You may all think i'm crazy but this how I see it, I want Calgary to beat the Undefeated,Defending National Champions and of course as everybody does, I want to see Acadia make history ending Laval's "PEPS STREAK" as I like to call it and see an AUS team in the Vanier Cup.
is Calgary an underdog? I see this game as a "pick 'em".


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Dinos favorites on Mon, 12-Nov-12 @ 09:26:55AM
Coming from out west Calgary is looked at to be the favorite.  McMaster has not played a team in the east that has a running back like Lumbala (who ran for 252 yards in the Hardy) nor an oline like Calgary has.  Combine that with a QB that can throw Dzwilewski who had 33 completions (a team record) Saturday for 377 yards in bad conditions.  Closest thing the East has to Calgary is Western except Calgary has a better running back, better oline, can pass better with a better QB, is bigger and more physical than Western and has a better head coach and coaching staff. Nill realized last year vs Laval that you have to be able too pass the ball and has gone out of his way to develop a first rate passing attack while not taking away from the running game. Football out here is more physical than down east.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: GHF on Mon, 12-Nov-12 @ 10:19:51AM
With MAC and Calgary these are the top two offences in the nation, but in terms of Calgary being favourites, one also has to ask what kind of defences they were meeting up with in CW. Of the four worst teams in terms of yards per game across the CIS it reads Alberta (475.8 ypg), UBC (476.8 ypg), Waterloo (534.2 ypg) and then Manitoba (570.4 ypg). Sask is a bit better at 425.0 ypg but other than Regina, who only gave up 392.1 ypg, all the other defences gave up huge yardage. That's not just against Calgary either (although 4x Calgary gained more than 600 yards total offence this season, twice going over 700 yards!). So it is worth questioning the strength of the defences the Dinos played, how that stacks up against the MAC D, and if they will find the same sort of success this week.

As much as Calgary will have a vaunted run game with Lumbala which may be a shock for MAC, the Dinos won't have faced a QB like Quinlan before either. The guy has a great arm and is extremely smart when making passes, while at the same time rushes well and is known for running through defenders and requiring multiple people to drag him down in the open field. Quinlan is going to present a huge test for the Dinos as well.

I give the edge to MAC, but I do think it's going to be an amazing game. Both of these two were the dominant teams in their respective conferences all season long, so we'll see how they deal with this high level of competition.

In the Uteck it's Laval, at home (looking for their 58th straight home win), against Acadia. Laval already beat the Axemen once this year and that was before they changed OC's and their offensive output went skyrocketing in comparison to the beginning of the season. The Acadia D is pretty good, and Graves is a good passer - and the Laval secondary is the weak spot of that D - but I see no way Acadia walks out of PEPS with the victory. Sorry Axemen...

My prediction for the Vanier is a rematch of last season: MAC v Laval. We'll see how it plays out!


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: osprey on Mon, 12-Nov-12 @ 11:53:05AM
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Coming from out west Calgary is looked at to be the favorite.

OK, if you say so.

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McMaster has not played a team in the east that has a running back like Lumbala (who ran for 252 yards in the Hardy) nor an oline like Calgary has.

Lumbala will very definitely be a problem, but this Mac's D hasn't changed much since it limited Varga in last year's Yates Cup.

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Calgary has a better running back, better oline, can pass better with a better QB, is bigger and more physical than Western and has a better head coach and coaching staff.

The running back I agree with, the rest is your opinion.

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Nill realized last year vs Laval that you have to be able too pass the ball

It only took him about 4 Final Four appearances to figure that out, except, someone showed him --- Ptasczek at Mac.

You haven't mentioned Calgary's secondary --- who haven't faced a QB like Quinlan, because there is no QB in the CIS like Quinlan. Calgary's Dline has to totally dominate Mac's Oline, but Mac's Oline is as good as Calgary's, which is to say very good. Better hope Quinlan has no time.

This game will be close. So if by "favourite" you mean Calgary by 3 pts, OK.

If you mean Calgary by 28 points, no way.



Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: CISfan on Mon, 12-Nov-12 @ 05:29:33PM
Uteck Bowl - Laval wins by half

Mitchell Bowl - not so easy to predict I think.  Both teams can score, Calgary more than McMaster lately.  I really want to say Mac wins this game on paper but I'm not positive they get into the Mitchell Bowl if so many scores weren't set up by the Mac defense, I think 7 takeaways against Western and 5 against Guelph.  Some of these takeaways set up short scoring drives.  If Calgary's defense is better than anything Mac has seen this year than I expect a lower scoring game then both teams are used to.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Potential on Mon, 12-Nov-12 @ 09:55:09PM
The Mac vs. Calgary game has epic potential!  Gaydosh will without a doubt be the best D-Lineman that the Mac OL will have faced all season.  Also, Verdone will be the best LB that the Mac offense will of faced all season.  It will be an interesting match up.

Calgary has an extensive QB read option run game.  They read a variety of players on the Zone run game (DT, DE, LB) and they run some inverted veer as well.  I'm curious to see what Coach Knox will dial up to combat this.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Mon, 12-Nov-12 @ 10:10:10PM
Coming from out west Calgary is looked at to be the favorite. 

By who, and why? MAC is the defending Vanier Cup Champions, and are in the midst of a CIS record 20 game win streak, so why are Calgary considered favourites?


McMaster has not played a team in the east that has a running back like Lumbala (who ran for 252 yards in the Hardy) nor an oline like Calgary has.

Not this year no, however last year they did face an RB named Tyler Varga, and stopped him. And Western's OL is extremely close, if not as good as Calgary's, along with Laval's.


Combine that with a QB that can throw Dzwilewski who had 33 completions (a team record) Saturday for 377 yards in bad conditions.  Closest thing the East has to Calgary is Western except Calgary has a better running back, better oline, can pass better with a better QB, is bigger and more physical than Western and has a better head coach and coaching staff.

There are many QB's that can throw the ball very well, across the country in the CIS. None better than MAC's own Kyle Quinlan though. Last year in the Vanier Quinlan completed 36 passes for 482 yards, bet you Calgary has never seen a QB do that before. Lumbala is better than who Western has? The OUA had the top 3 rushers in the CIS, and one of MAC's RB's led the nation in yards per carry, yes, Lumbala is a great back, but wouldn't say MAC hasn't seen a back like him, especially when you consider Varga last year. O-line is subjective, what do you consider better, quick oline that can pass block? Big oline that can pancake for the run every play? a combination? Western, Laval etc all have great OL's along with macs. Leading passer in the CIS was from the OUA, in Kennedy from Windsor (yards per game). TD-INT rate Quinlan was tops, completion percentage was Dzwilewski with Quinlan a very close second, while Quinland (tied with Greene from UBC) led all QBs in rushing yards, tied for 20th of all players with 550 yards, while Dzwileski didn't crack the top 50 which was only 228 yards. So more than double the rushing yards. Bigger than Western? Western's OL avg's 314 a player, can't see Calgary's being much, if any bigger than that...and more physical? Western pounds the ball inside play after play behind these guys, they're about as physical as it'll get. And it doesn't get much better than Marshall when it comes to coaching...though I wouldn't say he's THE best coach in the CIS.


Nill realized last year vs Laval that you have to be able too pass the ball and has gone out of his way to develop a first rate passing attack while not taking away from the running game. Football out here is more physical than down east.

Yeah, Nill realized that when McMaster beat Laval in the Vanier with a passing attack... and based on what is football out there more physical?


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Dr Lou on Mon, 12-Nov-12 @ 10:49:57PM
If Mac and Calgary truly compare throughout the roster talent-wise, and maybe that's the case maybe not, then the team with the more experienced/reliable QB has the edge.  Did Mac ever pull Quinlan from a game this season for performance reasons?  Calgary did that twice.  Both defences will get some pressure on the opposing QB, and the QB which handles that the best wins. That's likely to be Quinlan.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Mon, 12-Nov-12 @ 10:57:34PM
If Mac and Calgary truly compare throughout the roster talent-wise, and maybe that's the case maybe not, then the team with the more experienced/reliable QB has the edge.  Did Mac ever pull Quinlan from a game this season for performance reasons?  Calgary did that twice.  Both defences will get some pressure on the opposing QB, and the QB which handles that the best wins. That's likely to be Quinlan.

That's actually a very good point, and I agree 100%. I don't think I've ever seen once where Quinlan was phased by the pressure of the moment or anything of the sort.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: CDF on Tue, 13-Nov-12 @ 02:00:03PM
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Not this year no, however last year they did face an RB named Tyler Varga, and stopped him. And Western's OL is extremely close, if not as good as Calgary's, along with Laval's.

Western's O-line is good, yes. But Calgary's is probably the best in the CIS.


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There are many QB's that can throw the ball very well, across the country in the CIS. None better than MAC's own Kyle Quinlan though. Last year in the Vanier Quinlan completed 36 passes for 482 yards, bet you Calgary has never seen a QB do that before. Lumbala is better than who Western has? The OUA had the top 3 rushers in the CIS, and one of MAC's RB's led the nation in yards per carry, yes, Lumbala is a great back, but wouldn't say MAC hasn't seen a back like him, especially when you consider Varga last year. O-line is subjective, what do you consider better, quick oline that can pass block? Big oline that can pancake for the run every play? a combination? Western, Laval etc all have great OL's along with macs. Leading passer in the CIS was from the OUA, in Kennedy from Windsor (yards per game). TD-INT rate Quinlan was tops, completion percentage was Dzwilewski with Quinlan a very close second, while Quinland (tied with Greene from UBC) led all QBs in rushing yards, tied for 20th of all players with 550 yards, while Dzwileski didn't crack the top 50 which was only 228 yards. So more than double the rushing yards. Bigger than Western? Western's OL avg's 314 a player, can't see Calgary's being much, if any bigger than that...and more physical? Western pounds the ball inside play after play behind these guys, they're about as physical as it'll get. And it doesn't get much better than Marshall when it comes to coaching...though I wouldn't say he's THE best coach in the CIS.
Lumbala spent most of the year injured and was used sparingly. Sanvido isn't even close to Lumbala yet, Maybe in a few years. Kennedy had alot of yards but some of his other stats were pretty underwhelming. Statistically speaking, its between Dzwilewski and Quinlan, and stats wise they are even. Quinlan gets his edge from the attitude and big play ability he possesses. Dzwilewski is just as good of a scrambler as Quinlan. Calgary's offense didn't run alot of keeper options for him this year, but take a look at last year's Hardy cup to see what happens when he runs the ball. Expect this to change for Saturday. As far as the o-line goes, Mac is in fact heavier across the line, and taller on one end of it with Sewell. Calgary relies on its experience on the line (3 CFL drafted players) which is second to none in the CIS.

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Yeah, Nill realized that when McMaster beat Laval in the Vanier with a passing attack... and based on what is football out there more physical?

Also not entirely true. Nill realized it when, two years in a row, he tried to switch from an all-out running attack all year to an all-out passing attack in the space of a week, against a very good team. It was then followed up by the way in which Mac beat Laval with the air attack. Don't give Mac so much credit for a realization that Calgary made on its own.

Physicality of western football is a widely held stereotype. Quebec=speed. Ontario=skill game. West= physical game. Its a stereotype commonly accepted by many.

As far as your Marshall vs. Nill comparison. Both are actually pretty average coaches. Their strength lies in their recruiting prowess. Neither of these guys touches Constantin (recruitment and coaching) or Ptaszek (coaching).


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: GHF on Tue, 13-Nov-12 @ 03:48:29PM
CDF said:
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Dzwilewski is just as good of a scrambler as Quinlan.

This I don't buy as I've seen Quinlan run through multiple defenders, hurdle defenders (the most famous one of course being during the Vanier last season), and even take multiple players with him while he kept his legs pumping as they were trying to bring him down. I don't think I've seen any other QB in the CIS do the same however correct me if I'm wrong, because I've seen a few but only a few Calgary games over the past two seasons.

I am one of those who believe that while Dzwilewski is a very skilled quarterback he has to prove he's able to match Quinlan this weekend, through the air and on the ground. C'mon CDF, do your best to convert me over!  8)


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: CDF on Tue, 13-Nov-12 @ 04:05:54PM
Quinlan can run like a running back, I will absolutely give him that. Unfortunately, they ability to run over defenders is not what makes a good scrambler, its what makes a reckless scrambler. If Quinlan tries to play games like that with someone like Jordan Verdonne or Doc Cassama... he's going to get killed. I give him credit for trying to make plays and elevate his team, its what makes him great! But if he goes out there and gets himself hurt... then Mac could very well be toast.

It is not unheard of for Dzwilewski to rush for close to 100 yards in a game. He's a fantastic scrambler, and should DeLaval decide to incorporate it, then look to see Dzwilewski picking up yards in bunches on Saturday.

The only reason i'm trying to pump up Dzwilewski here is because the consensus thus far has been that Calgary can't win because of the quarterback position... that Quinlan basically equals Calgary having no chance. If dzwilewski has a good game and Calgary's receivers catch the ball (which they have a habit of forgetting how to do in big games), then Calgary and Mac will be even.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Tue, 13-Nov-12 @ 04:15:36PM
This year Dzwilewski was 41 for 166 on the ground with a long of 20 yards, 5 TDs while averaging 4.04 yards per run.

While Quinlan was 55 for 550 on the ground with a long of 67 yards, 7 TDs while averaging 10 yards per run.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: OUAer on Tue, 13-Nov-12 @ 06:19:00PM
Quinlan can run like a running back, I will absolutely give him that. Unfortunately, they ability to run over defenders is not what makes a good scrambler, its what makes a reckless scrambler. If Quinlan tries to play games like that with someone like Jordan Verdonne or Doc Cassama... he's going to get killed. I give him credit for trying to make plays and elevate his team, its what makes him great! But if he goes out there and gets himself hurt... then Mac could very well be toast.

It is not unheard of for Dzwilewski to rush for close to 100 yards in a game. He's a fantastic scrambler, and should DeLaval decide to incorporate it, then look to see Dzwilewski picking up yards in bunches on Saturday.

The only reason i'm trying to pump up Dzwilewski here is because the consensus thus far has been that Calgary can't win because of the quarterback position... that Quinlan basically equals Calgary having no chance. If dzwilewski has a good game and Calgary's receivers catch the ball (which they have a habit of forgetting how to do in big games), then Calgary and Mac will be even.

I like Verdone but doubt he'll intimidate Quinlan.

Mac had all three linebackers make OUA all star, no easy task in any division.

Mac has a better secondary than Calgary has played against this season.

I don't think this game will be as close as some predict.  I think the CW is much weaker than most realize.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Better teams on Tue, 13-Nov-12 @ 07:39:41PM
This year Dzwilewski was 41 for 166 on the ground with a long of 20 yards, 5 TDs while averaging 4.04 yards per run.

While Quinlan was 55 for 550 on the ground with a long of 67 yards, 7 TDs while averaging 10 yards per run.

Quinlan and MAC's numbers were against better teams. The West had little competition to offer Calgary.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: easy choice on Tue, 13-Nov-12 @ 09:21:18PM
 Mac should take this one quite easily. Last year Calgary was unmatched playing against Laval. However let us go forward to the future and a week later,we find Mac holding the Vanier Cup, beating the Rouge et Ors, the same team that just manhandled the Dinosaurs. Calgary looks good because of their competition but in the larger picture not so much. The OUA and the Q are playing at another level compared to the other two, Canada West is a slighly weaker league than the OUA, leaving the AUS it's own backyard.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Cisobserver on Tue, 13-Nov-12 @ 11:11:10PM
All of the previous posts have been about Mac not seeing an offense like calgarys. The closest comparison I would say is Ottawa's read option game. I also thought that Gillanders and sene looked better than lumbala when I was fortunate enough to attend the east/west bowl so saying that Mac is not prepared is not entirely true. Although I'm not aware which offense ottawa ran when they played McMaster this year.. Regardless, I completely expect Mac to win this game, they are too strong


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Cisobserver on Wed, 14-Nov-12 @ 10:25:27AM
Was just informed that uottawa did not play a spread offense against Mac this year so you guys might be right in the fact that Mac might not be ready for a powerful read option game


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Crowchild Trail on Thu, 15-Nov-12 @ 02:05:49PM
15 Reasons why Calgary Dinos win the Mitchell Bowl 42 to 21.

1)Calgary has steamrolled the opposition save for 1 game this year in CW.
2)Calgary played its worst game in years last year vs Laval.  Make no mistake this is a very motivated team this year focused on getting back to playing Laval again. They have come east packed for, prepared and planning on staying 10 days through the Vanier.
3)They are a much better team across the board than last year and have much better depth. This is the best team to come out of CW since the 07 Bisons.
4)Lumbala is the best back in the nation and unlike any back that McMaster has faced the past couple of years.  Only back close to him was Varga at the start of last year before he got banged up.
5)He runs behind the best oline in the nation...All Stars Fabien, McEwen, McCaughen and Alexander and Rockhill. All future CFLers.
6)Calgary has a new found pass game lead by a very good zone read QB Dzwilewski who is up for the Hec Crichton.  There is not much difference between him and Quinlan.
7)Their defensive line is very impressive and is the best in the nation.  They do with 3 (Gaydosh, Symons and Klassen) what it takes other teams to do having to use 4.
8)Calgary is the most physical team in the CIS. They thrive on going out and physically dominating people.
9)Calgary has a huge advantage in that their OC Delaval has extensive knowledge of McMaster from his time as HC of the Toronto Varsity Blues and having faced McMaster many times.
10)McMaster has been winning by small scores even against inferior opposition. Every game, against stronger or weaker opponents, they have struggled for a quarter or a half.
11)Quinlan has not played his best for most of this year.  He misses a lot of open receivers and has taken to just running himself.  Not a good idea vs the Calgary defence.
12)McMaster has no where near the running game of Calgary.
13)McMaster's play calling has been very conservative.
14)McMaster needs to keep their 'bend but don't break' defence off the field.
15)McMaster's defence can be scored on in bunches when they do break.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: outside15 on Thu, 15-Nov-12 @ 02:47:33PM
6)Calgary has a new found pass game lead by a very good zone read QB Dzwilewski who is up for the Hec Crichton.  There is not much difference between him and Quinlan.
11)Quinlan has not played his best for most of this year.  He misses a lot of open receivers and has taken to just running himself.  Not a good idea vs the Calgary defence.

There’s a lot of difference between Dzwilewski and Quinlan,

1. Quinlan doesn't get pulled for poor performances. what people consider a poor performance for Quinlan is a great game for any other QB include Dzwilewski.
2. He doesn't choke when his team needs him the most
3. He jumps Defenders
4. He runs defenders over
5. He’s beaten Laval
6. Averages 307 yards per a game in arguably a tough division (4  worse pass defense’s came from can west)
7. Yates cup mvp
8. Uteck bowl mvp
9. Vanier cup MVP
10. He puts his pants on both legs at a time. (may have made that one up)

Also I would hate to have seen his numbers if he was at his best all season,  68.9% competition, 2457 yards 19 td and 2 picks.  If only he had played better or even full games.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: GHF on Thu, 15-Nov-12 @ 04:30:43PM
Hardest part is figuring out which division is stronger, hence the 'MAC is better because they did this' versus the 'Calgary is better because they did this' arguments that neither side may ever let up on. The Dinos and Marauders are two teams very well matched to face each other. I feel both have the tools on offence to exploit the other side, while at the same time have the defenders to shut down the other team. Unlike the Uteck Bowl, where the two teams have already played once this year, and where lately Acadia has been relying on the run which plays right into Laval's defensive strong suit, the Mitchell Bowl is between two teams so well rounded it may purely come down to execution on that day.

Will Quinlan be on or will he be shaky? Will Dzwilewski be on or put in another performance that is worthy of having him pulled from the game? It may come down to which QB has the better day. And if both are on?? Well then, we're in for a *****ing treat!  ;D


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Legend on Thu, 15-Nov-12 @ 04:46:32PM
No disrespect to all the postings, but I think a key factor in the game will be who will make plays other than the usual star suspects ..that is what will determine the winner


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: CISfan on Thu, 15-Nov-12 @ 06:56:18PM
15 Reasons why Calgary Dinos win the Mitchell Bowl 42 to 21.

1)Calgary has steamrolled the opposition save for 1 game this year in CW.
2)Calgary played its worst game in years last year vs Laval.  Make no mistake this is a very motivated team this year focused on getting back to playing Laval again. They have come east packed for, prepared and planning on staying 10 days through the Vanier.
3)They are a much better team across the board than last year and have much better depth. This is the best team to come out of CW since the 07 Bisons.
4)Lumbala is the best back in the nation and unlike any back that McMaster has faced the past couple of years.  Only back close to him was Varga at the start of last year before he got banged up.
5)He runs behind the best oline in the nation...All Stars Fabien, McEwen, McCaughen and Alexander and Rockhill. All future CFLers.
6)Calgary has a new found pass game lead by a very good zone read QB Dzwilewski who is up for the Hec Crichton.  There is not much difference between him and Quinlan.
7)Their defensive line is very impressive and is the best in the nation.  They do with 3 (Gaydosh, Symons and Klassen) what it takes other teams to do having to use 4.
8)Calgary is the most physical team in the CIS. They thrive on going out and physically dominating people.
9)Calgary has a huge advantage in that their OC Delaval has extensive knowledge of McMaster from his time as HC of the Toronto Varsity Blues and having faced McMaster many times.
10)McMaster has been winning by small scores even against inferior opposition. Every game, against stronger or weaker opponents, they have struggled for a quarter or a half.
11)Quinlan has not played his best for most of this year.  He misses a lot of open receivers and has taken to just running himself.  Not a good idea vs the Calgary defence.
12)McMaster has no where near the running game of Calgary.
13)McMaster's play calling has been very conservative.
14)McMaster needs to keep their 'bend but don't break' defence off the field.
15)McMaster's defence can be scored on in bunches when they do break.

1. Agreed but CW isn't a good barometer for the rest of the country.
2. Western booked a plane to BC last year before Yates was decided.  Calgary may have made a similar mistake.
3. Don't know, no comment.
4. Lumbala alone can't win the game.  Whether he's the best is debatable.
5. Pretty good OLine, for sure.
6. It will be interesting how effective the pass game is.
7. The DLine is against the best OLine they've faced.
8. Again, a silly claim.  There are a lot of physical teams.
9. I don't even know how to comment on this.  How successful was DeLaval against Mac?
10. McMaster has coasted at times and have won by a plus margin of around 280 points this season.
11. Quinlan is Quinlan.  See if you can stop him.
12. Maybe not but they seem to have an endless supply of RB's.
13. Conservative and effective.  Again, see if you can stop them.
14. McMaster's defense leaves the field a whole lot with the ball in their possession.
15. When have they been scored on in "bunches".  Certainly not in the last 20 games they haven't.



Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Alberta BEEF on Fri, 16-Nov-12 @ 12:09:18PM
Good teams have had some success running the ball vs McMaster.  Dline was one of their weaknesses starting this season and they really didn't address it.  Queen's rushed for 132, Western 150 and Guelph 126. Dino's run game is the best in the country, Lumbala is by far the best back in the country and their oline looks like and blocks like a pro oline.  Lumbala could top 200 himself. Dinos have to many weapons.  It wont even be close.  Both the Stamps and Dinos are at the Dome next weekend.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Fri, 16-Nov-12 @ 04:01:35PM
Good teams have had some success running the ball vs McMaster.  Dline was one of their weaknesses starting this season and they really didn't address it.  Queen's rushed for 132, Western 150 and Guelph 126. Dino's run game is the best in the country, Lumbala is by far the best back in the country and their oline looks like and blocks like a pro oline.  Lumbala could top 200 himself. Dinos have to many weapons.  It wont even be close.  Both the Stamps and Dinos are at the Dome next weekend.


Mac gave up 837  yard rushing on 208 attempts during the reason, that equals 4.02 yards per carry, best in the OUA.

Calgary gave up 835 yards rushing on 184 attempts for a 4.5 yards per carry average.

So going by statistics, Mac's run defense is actually better than Calgary's...


Also, Calgary gave up 157 yards rushing to UBC, 135 yards rushing to Regina, and 142 yards rushing to Manitoba. Western, Queen's and Guelph are all better than those 3 teams also, except maybe Regina.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Fri, 16-Nov-12 @ 04:19:36PM
15 Reasons why Calgary Dinos win the Mitchell Bowl 42 to 21.

1)Calgary has steamrolled the opposition save for 1 game this year in CW.
2)Calgary played its worst game in years last year vs Laval.  Make no mistake this is a very motivated team this year focused on getting back to playing Laval again. They have come east packed for, prepared and planning on staying 10 days through the Vanier.
3)They are a much better team across the board than last year and have much better depth. This is the best team to come out of CW since the 07 Bisons.
4)Lumbala is the best back in the nation and unlike any back that McMaster has faced the past couple of years.  Only back close to him was Varga at the start of last year before he got banged up.
5)He runs behind the best oline in the nation...All Stars Fabien, McEwen, McCaughen and Alexander and Rockhill. All future CFLers.
6)Calgary has a new found pass game lead by a very good zone read QB Dzwilewski who is up for the Hec Crichton.  There is not much difference between him and Quinlan.
7)Their defensive line is very impressive and is the best in the nation.  They do with 3 (Gaydosh, Symons and Klassen) what it takes other teams to do having to use 4.
8)Calgary is the most physical team in the CIS. They thrive on going out and physically dominating people.
9)Calgary has a huge advantage in that their OC Delaval has extensive knowledge of McMaster from his time as HC of the Toronto Varsity Blues and having faced McMaster many times.
10)McMaster has been winning by small scores even against inferior opposition. Every game, against stronger or weaker opponents, they have struggled for a quarter or a half.
11)Quinlan has not played his best for most of this year.  He misses a lot of open receivers and has taken to just running himself.  Not a good idea vs the Calgary defence.
12)McMaster has no where near the running game of Calgary.
13)McMaster's play calling has been very conservative.
14)McMaster needs to keep their 'bend but don't break' defence off the field.
15)McMaster's defence can be scored on in bunches when they do break.


1. Mac has steamrolled opposition save 1 game in the OUA, which is a stronger conference.
2. Mac beat Laval last year, and aren't satisfied and want it as bad as anyone.
3. Mac is a much better team across the board also, have used 6 RB's and all perform well, a handful of new receivers have stepped up, DB's also.
4. Best in terms of what? Yardage? No. Yards per carry? Again, no.
5. Best OL in the nation? According to? They actually are undersized as an OL
6. Not much difference between him and Quinlan? HUGE difference actually, Quinlan is far superior, and can hurt you more ways.
7. Well, they give up more yards rushing than Mac, so they aren't better in that regard, and Also, Mac had 33 sacks for 216 yards, while Calgary had 25 sacks for 126 yards, so Mac's better in that department also.
8. That's your opinion, from what I've seen, Western is definitely a more physical team.
9. Well, he couldn't beat Mac when he was at UofT...
10. McMaster has been going up huge, and then subbing really early in games, against better opponents than Calgary, so teams have made it close late.
11. Quinlan still put up amazing numbers, so if he hasn't been playing his best all year, better hope he doesn't tomorrow. And you say it like taking to running is bad, when he's averaging over 10 yards a rush.
12. Mac has 1700 yards rushing on 235 attempts, for 7.23 yards a rush. Calgary has 1740 on on 243 attempts for 7.2 yards per attempt.
13. Maybe Mac's play-calling has been conservative because they don't need to use anything else? Why show more than you need to.
14. McMaster's "bend but don't break" defence has them on the longest winning streak in CIS history, and the defending Vanier Cup champions, why change that?
15. Any defence can be scored on in bunches when it breaks... Fortunately, it's very rare when Mac's defence does break.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Watching... on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 04:34:16PM
Anyone have any idea why Fabien or Getty aren't playing?  I've seen Fabien on the field once for the ill fated 3rd down, but he's not plaing with the base O.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 04:54:33PM
On twitter the UCdinos announced Getty wouldn't be playing about an hour or so before the game, not sure about Fabien..

7-3 McMaster after one.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 04:57:07PM
Mac adds a single on the ensuing kickoff, 8-3 McMaster.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 05:01:28PM
TSN announcer just said Fabien was hurt in the Hardy Cup.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 05:07:25PM
Johnny Mark just missed a 20 yard field goal wide right, Mac returner tackled in the endzone, 8-4 McMaster.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 05:17:14PM
Safety given up by Calgary. McMaster up 10-4. 9:45 left in the 2nd quarter.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 05:19:56PM
2 straight sacks for MAC. First by D'aguilar, 2nd by Shortill.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 05:28:06PM
Touchdown McMaster. 17-4 McMaster with 3:30 left in the first half.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 05:36:02PM
Fochesato with a 61 yard TD, 24-4 McMaster with 2:12 to go in the first half.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 05:44:16PM
McMaster up 24-4 at the half.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 06:13:34PM
TD McMaster on the opening drive of the 3rd quarter. McMaster 31 Calgary 4 with 11:44 left in the 3rd.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 06:42:00PM
Dzwilewski gets pulled. Buckley in at QB for the dinos.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 06:44:25PM
31-4 McMaster at the end of 3.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Why on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 06:50:50PM
Why the heck is Quinlan still in the Game (4th Q)?  Up by 27 Points with the Dino's posing no
offensive effort do not understand why he is still in?  Hope Verdun does not clean his clock in the 4th Q


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 06:52:05PM
TD McMaster. 38-4 McMaster with 13:38 to go.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Stupid on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 07:09:40PM
Why the heck is Quinlan still in the Game (4th Q)?  Up by 27 Points with the Dino's posing no
offensive effort do not understand why he is still in?  Hope Verdun does not clean his clock in the 4th Q

He is still in the game?  Thought Coach P was smarter than this?  Know they are only going to run the ball but anything can happen!


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 07:11:09PM
Touchdown McMaster...Quinlan to DiCroce. 45-4 McMaster with 4:41 to go.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 07:18:03PM
Marshall Ferguson comes into the game with 3:10 to go.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 07:22:21PM
Ferguson takes a knee in the endzone...45-6 McMaster with 1:17 to go.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 07:29:51PM
McMaster wins 45-6.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: ouatostrong on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 07:37:36PM
15 Reasons why Calgary Dinos win the Mitchell Bowl 42 to 21.

1)Calgary has steamrolled the opposition save for 1 game this year in CW.
2)Calgary played its worst game in years last year vs Laval.  Make no mistake this is a very motivated team this year focused on getting back to playing Laval again. They have come east packed for, prepared and planning on staying 10 days through the Vanier.
3)They are a much better team across the board than last year and have much better depth. This is the best team to come out of CW since the 07 Bisons.
4)Lumbala is the best back in the nation and unlike any back that McMaster has faced the past couple of years.  Only back close to him was Varga at the start of last year before he got banged up.
5)He runs behind the best oline in the nation...All Stars Fabien, McEwen, McCaughen and Alexander and Rockhill. All future CFLers.
6)Calgary has a new found pass game lead by a very good zone read QB Dzwilewski who is up for the Hec Crichton.  There is not much difference between him and Quinlan.
7)Their defensive line is very impressive and is the best in the nation.  They do with 3 (Gaydosh, Symons and Klassen) what it takes other teams to do having to use 4.
8)Calgary is the most physical team in the CIS. They thrive on going out and physically dominating people.
9)Calgary has a huge advantage in that their OC Delaval has extensive knowledge of McMaster from his time as HC of the Toronto Varsity Blues and having faced McMaster many times.
10)McMaster has been winning by small scores even against inferior opposition. Every game, against stronger or weaker opponents, they have struggled for a quarter or a half.
11)Quinlan has not played his best for most of this year.  He misses a lot of open receivers and has taken to just running himself.  Not a good idea vs the Calgary defence.
12)McMaster has no where near the running game of Calgary.
13)McMaster's play calling has been very conservative.
14)McMaster needs to keep their 'bend but don't break' defence off the field.
15)McMaster's defence can be scored on in bunches when they do break.


Great prediction buds lol Canada west is a joke compared to the OUA and Laval


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: MacNab Grad on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 07:39:37PM
Game stats:


Quinlan went 25-35 for 412 yards with 3 TDs and no INT's.
Dzwileski went 10-21 for 144 yards with no TDs or INt's.
Buckley went 10-15 for 66 yards with no TDs and 1 INT.


Lumbala was 14 carries for 39 yards, no TDs.
Forsyth had 11 carries for 51 yards and no TDs.


Babic had 10 receptions for 156 yards with 1 TD
Fochesato had 4 receptions for 113 yards and 1 TD
Brooks had 5 receptions for 90 yards no TD's
DiCroce had 5 receptions for 41 yards and 1 TD.
Nill had 7 receptions for 90 yards and no TD's.
Dobko had 4 catches for 24 yards and no TD's.


Verdone and Edem led Calgary with 7 tackles each, McNeill had 6.
Verdone and Klassen added 2 sacks each.
Eisho had 10 tackles to lead Mac, Ventresca had 9, D'aguilar had 6.
D'aguilar had 3 sacks, Shorthill and Kashak added one each.

Cupido had the lone interception on the day.
Lumbala and Quinlan both fumbled, both recovered by the other team.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: The Left Hand on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 08:25:56PM
What happened to #93 for Calgary?  Did not see him in the fourth quarter.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Cat Fan on Sat, 17-Nov-12 @ 08:27:06PM
Well Dino's fans - that was quiet a beat down - somewhere earlier I read a list of 15 reason's why the Dino's were going to mop the field with the Marauders - instead, they actually played the game and guess what happened - Dino's were in the game for the 1st quarter and then they got completely handled - where was that "vaunted" running game? - where was that dominating pass game? Calgary laid an egg today - 1 field goal from approx. 37 yards that barely, and I mean barely cleared the bar, a single point on a missed field (that needed a tackle by facemasking in the endzone to even get that point) and a safety conceded by Mac with about 2 minutes to go. Calgary got dominated - it was almost like Mac knew what play Calgary was going to run when they came to the line of scrimmage and then stuffed it. Calgary continually played undisciplined football - stupid penalty after stupid penalty - and what Mac couldn't take on their own Calgary gave away. Quinlan passed all over your defence (and could have gone for more if not for a couple overthrown passes and a couple drops).  Ben D'Aguilar completely destroyed your offense - he was all over your backfield all afternoon.  Finally, none of this is outlandish speculation or self-important prediction - this is fact.  The outcome of the game speaks for itself - you guys got your clock's cleaned - next time show a little respect.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: western observer on Sun, 18-Nov-12 @ 01:03:01AM
gotta luv the attitude developing in the Mac fans and visible player actions , cant wait for the lunchbox team to get it together.  we all bow down mr cat   for now , next week soon comes.   


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Coach4 on Sun, 18-Nov-12 @ 01:24:28AM
Coach P, up by 5 Td's and bulk of the starters still in, take care of the kid's that work hard all year instead of stroking your ego!!!


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Are you kidding me? on Sun, 18-Nov-12 @ 01:14:32PM
Half the D line was subbed out.  The entire secondary, save Cupido, were out.  There were two LBs rotated through the entire game.  On offense, there are effectively 7 'starters' at the receiving positions, and they rotated a boatload of RBs in the game.  The best rush of the day arguably came late from Wayne Moore, a true freshman.

You can question Quinlan staying in late, but that was his last game at Ron Joyce, and he's deserved it.

Ptaszek and the MAC system are arguably the BEST in the country at getting young players on to the field.  It's why they have exceptional depth and talent at all positions, and why they have been able to weather injuries to a HEC nominee and rookie of the year this year, which would have crushed virtually anyone else. 

Get your facts together you clown.


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: Last Game on Sun, 18-Nov-12 @ 05:09:11PM
You would have a different opinion of Quinlan got injured essentially making it his last game of the season. Give me a break - still believe Quinlan seeing any playing time in the 4th Q was foolish and risky


Title: Re: Mitchell/Uteck Bowls 2012
Post by: 20/20 on Sun, 18-Nov-12 @ 05:17:24PM
Hindsight and all...

It would have been crappy if he got hurt.  But other than the dirty cheapshots early on him in the game, and some coverage sacks, no one on the Calgary D was demonstrating they COULD hit him, let alone hurt him. 

Mac was throwing guys around like ragdolls all night, rookie running backs were trucking supposed 'physical' monsters from Calgary.

Quinlan is important, hell yes, but he isn't made of glass.  He's been taking and giving hits his entire career without any significant injury.