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Posted on: Mon, 15-Jan-18 @ 06:24:55AM
Posted by: Crying Wolf
So what everyone is saying (or deflecting) is that SMU is okay, they did nothing wrong and there will be zero output from this....and that everyone should be more focused on witch hunting FX because there was 2 players that have been charge with sex crimes. Now let's see...SMU did what they did with full knowledge and drive by the coaches. I would be hard pressed to think that FX coaches knew those boys were doing what they have been charged with. Hard pressed to think they covered it up or hired a crack legal team to cover up all outcomes of it. I'm pretty sure that once the allegations and charges where found out they removed the players from the team. Compare apples and oranges boys instead of trying to deflect SMUs back door dealings with what happened at FX. You want to go that route? Ask around about that certain US player who allegedly stole and scared a poor coed but it was taken care of internally without and consequences to the player.

If you've been paying attention and following this, SMU got the ok from U Sports that it was OK for Jack to play.  FX AD McPherson didn't like that answer - as he was getting his players ready after they pulled the plug on SMU's game hoping his own team would fill the spot and that there would not be enough time to go to court and overrule what Leo & Currie did.   Leo was also the AUS AD....bit of conflict of interest there.  Two Supreme Court judges ruled in SMU's favour.  everyone knew Jack had been in the CFL, dates were public knowledge. The AUS lost this battle, they're in denial. 

Re FX and Acadia

Daniel Obiang, 20, is facing two charges of possession for the purpose of trafficking crack cocaine .
Acadia head coach Jeff Cummins wouldn’t comment on Obiang, his arrest, his time on the team
The arrest was known well before the Loney Bowl took place. No mention of it, until after the Loney Bowl.  Acadia only then removed his name from the roster.
Interesting that.  What did it cost them to keep that quiet.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/1520854-wolfville-man-arrested-on-drug-charges-is-former-acadia-football-player

Neither the team’s coaches, the school’s athletic directors addressed the sex assault or drug trafficking situation to the media but they sure had no shortage of things to say about SMU.

Peter Gryphon:
Quote
the 2009 Western/Da'shawn Thomas case is a precedent that sheds light on the SMU/Archeleus Jack case. It is an identical case in most ways.

It has to be a central part of why SMU thought they were on solid ground when they added Jack to their roster. Specifically, if Western did it in 2009 and NO ONE suggested Western was cheating then why would we (SMU) interpret the rule any differently.

BTW, Found this interesting:

Quote
Brady left Mt A because he was going to be fired for his role in a scandal. Mt A and other AUS teams gained access to a SMU film account and used game week practice film to prepare.

The source of the access was an AUS official. This could be big.

How did they "gain access"?

They used the credentials of an AUS official. It wasn't a SMU coach or player account that was used.

I don't know exactly who that implicates, I was caught up in the part of the story where Brady and his staff cheated to beat SMU.

With Phil Currie's vendetta against SMU I wouldn't be shocked if it comes out that all AUS teams had access.

Interesting this.

Sounds like Wolf is harbouring a grudge against SMU for the losses his team incurred to them over the years. Why go after SMU long after this was settled by 2 Supreme Court judges Archibald and Smith as well as having a signed and binding agreement by U sport officials.  Additionally a precedent had already been set by Western with Da'shawn Thomas.  Where's all Wolf's disdain about Western's player Thomas.

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Toronto Argonauts
Thomas was signed as a free agent by the Toronto Argonauts of the Canadian Football League on February 29, 2008, and placed on the practice roster for the 2008 Toronto Argonauts season. He re-signed with the Argos on January 19, 2009, but was released at the end of training camp.

College career
In an unusual move, Thomas, who had never attended university and only a few days of a junior college in Kansas, registered with the University of Western Ontario and will play for the Western Ontario Mustangs in the 2009 CIS football season. The National Collegiate Athletic Association does not permit an athlete with any professional sports experience to play on a college team. However, since CIS football typically discounts one year for every year of professional experience, it is the only opportunity for Thomas to prepare for the 2010 NFL Draft. Former Mustang Vaughn Martin was drafted in the 2009 NFL Draft and former Mustangs receiver and current Argonaut Tyler Scott and former Argonauts coach Rich Stubler recommended Thomas to Mustangs coach Greg Marshall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da%27shawn_Thomas

https://www.cfl.ca/2009/06/12/argos-training-camp-day-5/

Any updates on the Brady Mt. A issue?
Posted on: Sun, 14-Jan-18 @ 10:18:05PM
Posted by: You don't get it
So what everyone is saying (or deflecting) is that SMU is okay, they did nothing wrong and there will be zero output from this....and that everyone should be more focused on witch hunting FX because there was 2 players that have been charge with sex crimes. Now let's see...SMU did what they did with full knowledge and drive by the coaches. I would be hard pressed to think that FX coaches knew those boys were doing what they have been charged with. Hard pressed to think they covered it up or hired a crack legal team to cover up all outcomes of it. I'm pretty sure that once the allegations and charges where found out they removed the players from the team. Compare apples and oranges boys instead of trying to deflect SMUs back door dealings with what happened at FX. You want to go that route? Ask around about that certain US player who allegedly stole and scared a poor coed but it was taken care of internally without and consequences to the player.

I understand where you are coming from - and you seem to get it - but I think the consensus on here is to just try to ignore this guy. He is unstable and can't seem to grasp reality. I implore you and everyone else out there who is tempted to respond to this fellow, to just let it go and he will eventually go away.

Unfortunately you don't get it, are you talking to yourself again?  I guess that happens when you can't grasp reality and you ignore the facts.  Too bad the Supreme Court judges didn't see things your way. Go complain to them. I'm sure they'd love to hear from you. 
Posted on: Sun, 14-Jan-18 @ 08:29:19PM
Posted by: Silence is Golden
So what everyone is saying (or deflecting) is that SMU is okay, they did nothing wrong and there will be zero output from this....and that everyone should be more focused on witch hunting FX because there was 2 players that have been charge with sex crimes. Now let's see...SMU did what they did with full knowledge and drive by the coaches. I would be hard pressed to think that FX coaches knew those boys were doing what they have been charged with. Hard pressed to think they covered it up or hired a crack legal team to cover up all outcomes of it. I'm pretty sure that once the allegations and charges where found out they removed the players from the team. Compare apples and oranges boys instead of trying to deflect SMUs back door dealings with what happened at FX. You want to go that route? Ask around about that certain US player who allegedly stole and scared a poor coed but it was taken care of internally without and consequences to the player.

I understand where you are coming from - and you seem to get it - but I think the consensus on here is to just try to ignore this guy. He is unstable and can't seem to grasp reality. I implore you and everyone else out there who is tempted to respond to this fellow, to just let it go and he will eventually go away.
Posted on: Sun, 14-Jan-18 @ 05:40:26PM
Posted by: Time will tell
So what everyone is saying (or deflecting) is that SMU is okay, they did nothing wrong and there will be zero output from this....and that everyone should be more focused on witch hunting FX because there was 2 players that have been charge with sex crimes. Now let's see...SMU did what they did with full knowledge and drive by the coaches. I would be hard pressed to think that FX coaches knew those boys were doing what they have been charged with. Hard pressed to think they covered it up or hired a crack legal team to cover up all outcomes of it. I'm pretty sure that once the allegations and charges where found out they removed the players from the team. Compare apples and oranges boys instead of trying to deflect SMUs back door dealings with what happened at FX. You want to go that route? Ask around about that certain US player who allegedly stole and scared a poor coed but it was taken care of internally without and consequences to the player.

If you've been paying attention and following this, SMU got the ok from U Sports that it was OK for Jack to play.  FX AD McPherson didn't like that answer - as he was getting his players ready after they pulled the plug on SMU's game hoping his own team would fill the spot and that there would not be enough time to go to court and overrule what Leo & Currie did.   Leo was also the AUS AD....bit of conflict of interest there.  Two Supreme Court judges ruled in SMU's favour.  everyone knew Jack had been in the CFL, dates were public knowledge. The AUS lost this battle, they're in denial. 

Re FX and Acadia

Daniel Obiang, 20, is facing two charges of possession for the purpose of trafficking crack cocaine .
Acadia head coach Jeff Cummins wouldn’t comment on Obiang, his arrest, his time on the team
The arrest was known well before the Loney Bowl took place. No mention of it, until after the Loney Bowl.  Acadia only then removed his name from the roster.
Interesting that.  What did it cost them to keep that quiet.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/1520854-wolfville-man-arrested-on-drug-charges-is-former-acadia-football-player

Neither the team’s coaches, the school’s athletic directors addressed the sex assault or drug trafficking situation to the media but they sure had no shortage of things to say about SMU.

Peter Gryphon:
Quote
the 2009 Western/Da'shawn Thomas case is a precedent that sheds light on the SMU/Archeleus Jack case. It is an identical case in most ways.

It has to be a central part of why SMU thought they were on solid ground when they added Jack to their roster. Specifically, if Western did it in 2009 and NO ONE suggested Western was cheating then why would we (SMU) interpret the rule any differently.

BTW, Found this interesting:

Quote
Brady left Mt A because he was going to be fired for his role in a scandal. Mt A and other AUS teams gained access to a SMU film account and used game week practice film to prepare.

The source of the access was an AUS official. This could be big.

How did they "gain access"?

They used the credentials of an AUS official. It wasn't a SMU coach or player account that was used.

I don't know exactly who that implicates, I was caught up in the part of the story where Brady and his staff cheated to beat SMU.

With Phil Currie's vendetta against SMU I wouldn't be shocked if it comes out that all AUS teams had access.

Interesting this.
Posted on: Sun, 14-Jan-18 @ 02:20:55PM
Posted by: So what everyone is sayin
So what everyone is saying (or deflecting) is that SMU is okay, they did nothing wrong and there will be zero output from this....and that everyone should be more focused on witch hunting FX because there was 2 players that have been charge with sex crimes. Now let's see...SMU did what they did with full knowledge and drive by the coaches. I would be hard pressed to think that FX coaches knew those boys were doing what they have been charged with. Hard pressed to think they covered it up or hired a crack legal team to cover up all outcomes of it. I'm pretty sure that once the allegations and charges where found out they removed the players from the team. Compare apples and oranges boys instead of trying to deflect SMUs back door dealings with what happened at FX. You want to go that route? Ask around about that certain US player who allegedly stole and scared a poor coed but it was taken care of internally without and consequences to the player.
Posted on: Sat, 13-Jan-18 @ 08:29:28AM
Posted by: Makes sense
You people are idiots... the "Death Penalty" is a term used by the NCAA when they shut a program down and cease operations. Ironically it happened some 25 or 30 years ago to the other SMU (Southern Methodist University) football program from Dallas Texas when they cheated and paid players, changed grades, etc.

In no way was the Wolf trying to encite violence. Do your research instead of calling for this guys job.

Idiots

Aware of what that means.

First of all referencing a death penalty, there is no need for that, this is NOT the US. Secondly, that is NOT what the NCAA refer to the procedure.  It is what it was dubbed by the media.  Big difference.
Using this term here, is certainly not a positive, it has no place in Canada, or U sports.   It is a very negative term associated with violence, and extreme cases of criminal acts

It is both extreme, and over the top; a reaction to Wolf not liking SMU as well as his reaction to the fact that both the AUS & CIS both lost to the highest courts against SMU.  You are forgetting about that agreement U sports signed with SMU, allowing Jack to play.   I guess Wolf had a hard time accepting that and that the courts ruled in SMU's favour twice.  What is it about that he didn't understand.

Axing the program for a year has only been used 5 times, and closure of these programs were due to severe abuse and violations, such as Western Kentucky swim team for hazing - physically abusing, beating up on publicly humiliating, making racist remarks at middle eastern students, (one could look at St. FX football players who are up on sexual assault charges) or Acadia U, with their football player up on multiple drug charges: https://globalnews.ca/news/3860314/acadia-football-drug-trafficking/
Perhaps CIS should have a look at Ft. FX and Acadia for this. 

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/1524278-two-st.-f.x.-players-arrested-charged-with-sexual-assault

Long Island for taking bribes from gamblers to shave points - gambling, profiting.  Southwestern Louisiana was found guilty of more than 125 violations in August 1973. from small cash payments to players, letting players borrow coaches' and boosters' cars, giving the players access to university credit cards to buy gas,  clothing and anything else they wanted.  As well as a massive academic fraud. An assistant coach altered a recruit's high school transcript and forged the principal's signature.  That's why these teams got banned for a year.  Then southern methodist in the US for paying players $61,000 via a slush fund. Payments ranged from $50 to $725 per month - the coach handed out 100-dollar bills to recruits when meeting them at airports.  This was a back in 1987. Whistleblower Sean Stopperich brought this to light and called the school out when they reneged on their agreement to pay him after he sustained injury.

If you recall, the courts did not rule in the favour of AUS or U sports.  They ruled in favour of SMU
This has no legs.   The remark is classless and Wolf has gone too far.  He is creating dissension.

Best remedy is update the rules so that there are no misunderstandings
FX players up on investigation in sexual assault case should have people more concerned

Those programs that got shut down were for serious offences, such as hazing, taking bribes from gamblers to shave points, Academic fraud + paying players from a slush fund.

Here's just one of the many assaults that took place in the hazing incident:
Former swimmer sues over alleged hazing at Western Kentucky including being punched in the testicles

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3258067/Former-swimmer-sues-alleged-hazing-Kentucky-Western.html

If you read up on the closures it is clear that they more closely mirror or align with what has been happening at FX and Acadia of which neither head coach commented on the charges.  FX AD is also the AUS President, so a bit of conflict of interest there, particularly in the matters with SMU.

This appears to be Wolf trying to deflect away from some of the serious matters taking place at Acadia - with one of their fb players Daniel Obiang arrested for drug trafficking in cocaine and marijuana and FX for 2 fb players who were charged with sexual assault - one who was also a house president. 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/student-charged-with-sex-assault-was-house-president-1.4424521?cmp=rss

Jonah Williams, 19, of Halifax has been charged with three counts of sexual assault against two different women; he's expected for an election-and-plea hearing in Antigonish Provincial Court. Jan 10.

RCMP say an 18-year-old told them she was sexually assaulted on campus in November; that led a 19-year-old to come forward and report two separate cases of sexual assault on campus.

Tyler Ball, 18, of Truro faces a single count of sexual assault; he's scheduled to make his first court appearance Jan. 24.

So about Wolf and his comments, can anyone really take him seriously?
He sounds like a sore loser. 
Posted on: Fri, 12-Jan-18 @ 07:36:09AM
Posted by: Here's the research
You people are idiots... the "Death Penalty" is a term used by the NCAA when they shut a program down and cease operations. Ironically it happened some 25 or 30 years ago to the other SMU (Southern Methodist University) football program from Dallas Texas when they cheated and paid players, changed grades, etc.

In no way was the Wolf trying to encite violence. Do your research instead of calling for this guys job.

Idiots

Aware of what that means.

First of all referencing a death penalty, there is no need for that, this is NOT the US. Secondly, that is NOT what the NCAA refer to the procedure.  It is what it was dubbed by the media.  Big difference.
Using this term here, is certainly not a positive, it has no place in Canada, or U sports.   It is a very negative term associated with violence, and extreme cases of criminal acts

It is both extreme, and over the top; a reaction to Wolf not liking SMU as well as his reaction to the fact that both the AUS & CIS both lost to the highest courts against SMU.  You are forgetting about that agreement U sports signed with SMU, allowing Jack to play.   I guess Wolf had a hard time accepting that and that the courts ruled in SMU's favour twice.  What is it about that he didn't understand.

Axing the program for a year has only been used 5 times, and closure of these programs were due to severe abuse and violations, such as Western Kentucky swim team for hazing - physically abusing, beating up on publicly humiliating, making racist remarks at middle eastern students, (one could look at St. FX football players who are up on sexual assault charges) or Acadia U, with their football player up on multiple drug charges: https://globalnews.ca/news/3860314/acadia-football-drug-trafficking/
Perhaps CIS should have a look at Ft. FX and Acadia for this. 

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/1524278-two-st.-f.x.-players-arrested-charged-with-sexual-assault

Long Island for taking bribes from gamblers to shave points - gambling, profiting.  Southwestern Louisiana was found guilty of more than 125 violations in August 1973. from small cash payments to players, letting players borrow coaches' and boosters' cars, giving the players access to university credit cards to buy gas,  clothing and anything else they wanted.  As well as a massive academic fraud. An assistant coach altered a recruit's high school transcript and forged the principal's signature.  That's why these teams got banned for a year.  Then southern methodist in the US for paying players $61,000 via a slush fund. Payments ranged from $50 to $725 per month - the coach handed out 100-dollar bills to recruits when meeting them at airports.  This was a back in 1987. Whistleblower Sean Stopperich brought this to light and called the school out when they reneged on their agreement to pay him after he sustained injury.

If you recall, the courts did not rule in the favour of AUS or U sports.  They ruled in favour of SMU
This has no legs.   The remark is classless and Wolf has gone too far.  He is creating dissension.

Best remedy is update the rules so that there are no misunderstandings
FX players up on investigation in sexual assault case should have people more concerned
Posted on: Thu, 11-Jan-18 @ 09:45:46PM
Posted by: idiots on this site
You people are idiots... the "Death Penalty" is a term used by the NCAA when they shut a program down and cease operations. Ironically it happened some 25 or 30 years ago to the other SMU (Southern Methodist University) football program from Dallas Texas when they cheated and paid players, changed grades, etc.

In no way was the Wolf trying to encite violence. Do your research instead of calling for this guys job.

Idiots
Posted on: Thu, 11-Jan-18 @ 08:40:57PM
Posted by: In bad taste
Winning arguments on this forum by insulting people is a great way to go. We all know if this article was written by anyone else it would have had a bit more credibility but the fact the article was written by Coach Wolfe just shows a total disregard for the current Smu players asking for the death penalty.  This was nothing more than a smear attack on SMU.  Do 2 wrongs make a right absolutely not however, I believe what the previous posters were saying was that there has been a precedence set in regards to this rule and nothing was enforced or even really mentioned. Does that make what SMU did correct no but, what I think everyone is missing is that Usport themselves had an agreement to let Mr. Jack play which seems to get overlooked in this matter.  I think it is definitely time to move on Usport needs to readdress this rule and make a rule that is very cut and dry like once a player is on a CFL roster past training camp he is ineligible for USports football.  That eliminates all types of misinterpretations.

You got it.  Wolfe not only shows total disrespect for SMU football players, he shows a lack of respect for people in general, by encouraging and promoting anger, hatred, violence not just limited to the football community - this has far reaching implications.  Because of this, he should be prevented from any association with football, sports and youth.   He is not a positive role model.  Have concerns for anyone supporting his comments.

And yes, U sport did have an agreement to let Jack play, which people like Wolfe, McPherson, Currie, were choosing to ignore.  Too bad for them two Supreme Court judges went against them.

Time to move on and change the rules to provide more clarity, so that there are no misinterpretations moving forward. 

How much more time, and money do these guys want to waste on this. Think about how much money the AUS and U sports are into now, with the legal fees, and they lost. Do they seriously think that instilling anger and hate is going to change that.  It will just make the Supreme Court judges dig their heals in more, especially if they are shown this document by Wolfe....  It does not shed a good or positive light on the University or conference or people he represents, and the courts will be following that.  What parent is going to want to send their son or daughter to a university who supports this kind of comment, philosophy. 


"Violence"?!?!? Really? I didn't read the artcile because I don't subscribe but I sure would like to see the part of it which he encites violence on SMU. I could see charges for this.

This:

 
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total disregard for the current Smu players asking for the death penalty.

If true, Whether he said it as a joke, or to make his point, it was done in poor taste. 
He's carried this and taken it too far, and encouraging others to do the same
Certainly no role model
Posted on: Thu, 11-Jan-18 @ 09:54:25AM
Posted by: Really Though?
Winning arguments on this forum by insulting people is a great way to go. We all know if this article was written by anyone else it would have had a bit more credibility but the fact the article was written by Coach Wolfe just shows a total disregard for the current Smu players asking for the death penalty.  This was nothing more than a smear attack on SMU.  Do 2 wrongs make a right absolutely not however, I believe what the previous posters were saying was that there has been a precedence set in regards to this rule and nothing was enforced or even really mentioned. Does that make what SMU did correct no but, what I think everyone is missing is that Usport themselves had an agreement to let Mr. Jack play which seems to get overlooked in this matter.  I think it is definitely time to move on Usport needs to readdress this rule and make a rule that is very cut and dry like once a player is on a CFL roster past training camp he is ineligible for USports football.  That eliminates all types of misinterpretations.

You got it.  Wolfe not only shows total disrespect for SMU football players, he shows a lack of respect for people in general, by encouraging and promoting anger, hatred, violence not just limited to the football community - this has far reaching implications.  Because of this, he should be prevented from any association with football, sports and youth.   He is not a positive role model.  Have concerns for anyone supporting his comments.

And yes, U sport did have an agreement to let Jack play, which people like Wolfe, McPherson, Currie, were choosing to ignore.  Too bad for them two Supreme Court judges went against them.

Time to move on and change the rules to provide more clarity, so that there are no misinterpretations moving forward. 

How much more time, and money do these guys want to waste on this. Think about how much money the AUS and U sports are into now, with the legal fees, and they lost. Do they seriously think that instilling anger and hate is going to change that.  It will just make the Supreme Court judges dig their heals in more, especially if they are shown this document by Wolfe....  It does not shed a good or positive light on the University or conference or people he represents, and the courts will be following that.  What parent is going to want to send their son or daughter to a university who supports this kind of comment, philosophy. 


"Violence"?!?!? Really? I didn't read the artcile because I don't subscribe but I sure would like to see the part of it which he encites violence on SMU. I could see charges for this.
Posted on: Thu, 11-Jan-18 @ 08:38:28AM
Posted by: You got it
Winning arguments on this forum by insulting people is a great way to go. We all know if this article was written by anyone else it would have had a bit more credibility but the fact the article was written by Coach Wolfe just shows a total disregard for the current Smu players asking for the death penalty.  This was nothing more than a smear attack on SMU.  Do 2 wrongs make a right absolutely not however, I believe what the previous posters were saying was that there has been a precedence set in regards to this rule and nothing was enforced or even really mentioned. Does that make what SMU did correct no but, what I think everyone is missing is that Usport themselves had an agreement to let Mr. Jack play which seems to get overlooked in this matter.  I think it is definitely time to move on Usport needs to readdress this rule and make a rule that is very cut and dry like once a player is on a CFL roster past training camp he is ineligible for USports football.  That eliminates all types of misinterpretations.

You got it.  Wolfe not only shows total disrespect for SMU football players, he shows a lack of respect for people in general, by encouraging and promoting anger, hatred, violence not just limited to the football community - this has far reaching implications.  Because of this, he should be prevented from any association with football, sports and youth.   He is not a positive role model.  Have concerns for anyone supporting his comments.

And yes, U sport did have an agreement to let Jack play, which people like Wolfe, McPherson, Currie, were choosing to ignore.  Too bad for them two Supreme Court judges went against them.

Time to move on and change the rules to provide more clarity, so that there are no misinterpretations moving forward. 

How much more time, and money do these guys want to waste on this. Think about how much money the AUS and U sports are into now, with the legal fees, and they lost. Do they seriously think that instilling anger and hate is going to change that.  It will just make the Supreme Court judges dig their heals in more, especially if they are shown this document by Wolfe....  It does not shed a good or positive light on the University or conference or people he represents, and the courts will be following that.  What parent is going to want to send their son or daughter to a university who supports this kind of comment, philosophy. 
Posted on: Wed, 10-Jan-18 @ 11:33:57AM
Posted by: Sunny days
Winning arguments on this forum by insulting people is a great way to go. We all know if this article was written by anyone else it would have had a bit more credibility but the fact the article was written by Coach Wolfe just shows a total disregard for the current Smu players asking for the death penalty.  This was nothing more than a smear attack on SMU.  Do 2 wrongs make a right absolutely not however, I believe what the previous posters were saying was that there has been a precedence set in regards to this rule and nothing was enforced or even really mentioned. Does that make what SMU did correct no but, what I think everyone is missing is that Usport themselves had an agreement to let Mr. Jack play which seems to get overlooked in this matter.  I think it is definitely time to move on Usport needs to readdress this rule and make a rule that is very cut and dry like once a player is on a CFL roster past training camp he is ineligible for USports football.  That eliminates all types of misinterpretations.
Posted on: Wed, 10-Jan-18 @ 08:19:11AM
Posted by: I'm With Stupid
PG, you keep harping on this 2009 Western thing. Christ, it is getting old. Seriously, is this your only defense/justification for what SMU did? Wolfe probably didn't respond because it is not worth responding to. Get some new material FFS!!


Now that ^^^ is a stupid response.

To my knowledge, the 2009 Western/Da'shawn Thomas case is the only precedent that sheds light on the SMU/Archeleus Jack case. It is an identical case in most ways.

It has to be a central part of why SMU thought they were on solid ground when they added Jack to their roster. Specifically, if Western did it in 2009 and NO ONE suggested Western was cheating then why would we (SMU) interpret the rule any differently.

Every A.D. and football coach in the country has had 8 years to put Rule 40.10.6.2.1.6.1 on the agenda at annual meetings. Any coach or A.D. who didn't like the Western interpretation of the rule could have proposed amendments to it. NO ONE has done that. 

Are you suggesting that no other team interpreted the rule the correct way in the past ten years and decided to make a kid sit for a year or, alternatively, decide to pass on a recruit because of the required waiting period?? I guarantedd that a dozen teams passed on Jack because of the (correct) interpretation of the rule. Christ you're an idiot. For someone who claims to be so close to the action, you sure demonstrate a very narrow and backward understanding of university sport. Either you really are that dumb or you are just too proud to admit that you are completely wrong on this.

Do you really believe that football programs across the country look back to 2009 (da'shawn) to make a determination on the eligility of their recruits? You act like this is some kind of watershed moment in the history of university sport in Canada. It's not.
Posted on: Tue, 09-Jan-18 @ 10:32:43PM
Posted by: Totally agree
PG, you keep harping on this 2009 Western thing. Christ, it is getting old. Seriously, is this your only defense/justification for what SMU did? Wolfe probably didn't respond because it is not worth responding to. Get some new material FFS!!


Now that ^^^ is a stupid response.

To my knowledge, the 2009 Western/Da'shawn Thomas case is the only precedent that sheds light on the SMU/Archeleus Jack case. It is an identical case in most ways.

It has to be a central part of why SMU thought they were on solid ground when they added Jack to their roster. Specifically, if Western did it in 2009 and NO ONE suggested Western was cheating then why would we (SMU) interpret the rule any differently.

Every A.D. and football coach in the country has had 8 years to put Rule 40.10.6.2.1.6.1 on the agenda at annual meetings. Any coach or A.D. who didn't like the Western interpretation of the rule could have proposed amendments to it. NO ONE has done that. 

Well said Peter. I agree about the Da'shawn Thomas precedent. Why did some teams in the AUS take such a strong & negative stand against SMU? Is it leftover hate from the Blake Mill days?  It also looked like which ever teams complained about SMU, deliberately waited till near the end of the season to come forward together; hoping that there would not be enough time for SMU to respond, and most likely didn't think that both Supreme Court judges would rule in favour of SMU. There was definitely collusion among some AUS teams and a conflict of interest on the part of the FX AD.

There needs to be changes to the rules so that they are more specific and clear. Additionally changes need to made as to how long a team can wait to report.  There needs to be a deadline for reporting. If teams haven't reported by a certain date, then it should be thrown out. Responsible reporting early as Teams need time to defend themselves, not waiting to the last minute.   SMU weren't hiding anything; everyone knew Jack had been in the CFL, dates were public knowledge.
Posted on: Tue, 09-Jan-18 @ 07:49:59PM
Posted by: Peter Gryphon
PG, you keep harping on this 2009 Western thing. Christ, it is getting old. Seriously, is this your only defense/justification for what SMU did? Wolfe probably didn't respond because it is not worth responding to. Get some new material FFS!!


Now that ^^^ is a stupid response.

To my knowledge, the 2009 Western/Da'shawn Thomas case is the only precedent that sheds light on the SMU/Archeleus Jack case. It is an identical case in most ways.

It has to be a central part of why SMU thought they were on solid ground when they added Jack to their roster. Specifically, if Western did it in 2009 and NO ONE suggested Western was cheating then why would we (SMU) interpret the rule any differently.

Every A.D. and football coach in the country has had 8 years to put Rule 40.10.6.2.1.6.1 on the agenda at annual meetings. Any coach or A.D. who didn't like the Western interpretation of the rule could have proposed amendments to it. NO ONE has done that. 
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